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02-17-2014 01:12 PM
llombardo
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No, I agree. My dogs hold it for 9 hours a day.


I don't agree with this quote though, I know some dogs that have to hold it 12 hours a day and they are housebroken. Dogs can hold it for 12 hours and sometimes longer but they shouldn't have to. Some people sleep 8-10 hours a night and they don't get up to take their dogs outside to potty, of course that's not me, we sleep 5-7 hours a night.

"NO dog can or should hold it for 12 hours. If that's the expectation, that dog will never be "housebroken."
I didn't take it the way you did. I agree that some dogs can, but they probably shouldn't.
02-17-2014 12:20 PM
LaRen616
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Originally Posted by llombardo View Post
There is times when mine will and have to hold it longer, but it can't be good for them. I know I personally wouldn't want to hold it for 12 hrs , could I? Yes, but it's not good. I'm sure it's fine for some dogs , but I would never expect that on a daily basis.
No, I agree. My dogs hold it for 9 hours a day.


I don't agree with this quote though, I know some dogs that have to hold it 12 hours a day and they are housebroken. Dogs can hold it for 12 hours and sometimes longer but they shouldn't have to. Some people sleep 8-10 hours a night and they don't get up to take their dogs outside to potty, of course that's not me, we sleep 5-7 hours a night.

"NO dog can or should hold it for 12 hours. If that's the expectation, that dog will never be "housebroken."
02-17-2014 12:16 PM
llombardo
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I disagree.

One time when I was really, really sick, I laid on the couch and Sinister laid next to me. I lost track of time and realized that Sinister had not been outside to potty for 15 hours. He never once asked to go out either, it's like he knew that I wasn't feeling well so he didn't drink a lot of water. He does that during the week too while I am at work. He barely touches his water while I am gone.
There is times when mine will and have to hold it longer, but it can't be good for them. I know I personally wouldn't want to hold it for 12 hrs , could I? Yes, but it's not good. I'm sure it's fine for some dogs , but I would never expect that on a daily basis. I bought my house based on distance from work, so they wouldn't have to hold it for more then 5 hours at a time.
02-17-2014 12:04 PM
Serbrider My 9 year old dog *can* hold it a full 24 hours if need be, but apart from very rare emergencies, I never expect her to hold it for more than 8-10 hours at a time. It's just not fair to her.

For a puppy, considerably less time. For the first two months of mine I plan on every two hours and once in the middle of the night. After that extend through the night and allow for more time. I believe in setting up for success, not failure.


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02-17-2014 11:38 AM
LaRen616
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NO dog can or should hold it for 12 hours. If that's the expectation, that dog will never be "housebroken."
I disagree.

One time when I was really, really sick, I laid on the couch and Sinister laid next to me. I lost track of time and realized that Sinister had not been outside to potty for 15 hours. He never once asked to go out either, it's like he knew that I wasn't feeling well so he didn't drink a lot of water. He does that during the week too while I am at work. He barely touches his water while I am gone.
02-17-2014 11:19 AM
llombardo
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I say they're housebroken when you can trust them not to desecrate your floors for a length of time that you know they can or will hold it. NO dog can or should hold it for 12 hours. If that's the expectation, that dog will never be "housebroken."
I agree 100%. 4-6 hours is expected, but they can go about 8-10 hours and over night is also expected. If they have to go over night I expect them to ask. Even if they have had diarrhea in the past, they ask. If I call them in from outside and they haven't gone yet they run the other way and go, it's like oh boy I'm going in the house , so I better go now.When I took my son to college we were gone a lot longer then I expected-14 hours, I fully expected a mess when I got home. 4 dogs and not one accident and no one crated, none of them are crated (except the puppy now, he wasn't here yet for the14 he trip)that is housebroken IMO. The same thing when my mom was sick and dying, crazy hours and they all dealt with it with no accidents.
02-17-2014 10:52 AM
ApselBear My pup was potty trained from day one(he was a natural, no actual training invovled). I, on the other hand, took a bit longer to get on his level. It took me a few days of getting used to his signals of when he was ready to "go". 8 weeks(9 counting my learning curve).
02-17-2014 09:56 AM
LaRen616 Sinister was potty trained at 13 weeks old. He didn't have any potty accidents after that, he knew how to tell me he needed to go outside.

Draco was potty trained at 15 or 16 weeks old. He did have a couple of crate accidents but it was my fault for leaving him for too long. No accidents outside of his crate since he was 15 or 16 weeks old and he learned how to tell me he needed to go outside.
02-17-2014 09:12 AM
mcdanfam
Completely 100% housebroken ages?

I don't think they can be fully house broken....it is about "alerting" to go outside.
Ours were alerting us within 48 hours...but we did it very routine. We read an hour for every month they are old is how often they need to potty.
Not sure this is the correct way....but..
We crate trained them, every two hours we would carry them from their crates, to the door, ring the bell with their tiny paw, give a treat, open the door, and then come in to play, return to crate....We repeated the process every 2 hours for the first 2 days, day two...later in the evening, the female...ran to the door, rang the bell and went potty.
We have never had accidents...but they could not hold it, well we did not test them holding it until they were about 4 months old...that was the first time they slept 8 hours without potty breaks through the night....by 10 weeks they were alerting us and we could let them have tons more time outside of the crate. We never left them unsupervised and were very routine about the bell and potty breaks. At 4 1/2 months old we trusted them to sleep out of crates, roam the house and know they would ring the bell....at 15 months old...they ring the bell, and if we don't hear it the first time, they make sure we hear it the second.

Good luck.....


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02-17-2014 08:43 AM
Ivy's
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Apparently housebroken is more of a personal standard; something defined by the owner and what they can live with.

I have one that I can trust not to go in the house at night (as far as I know); he sleeps with me and is almost one year old.

My baby- 9-10 wk old GSmix can't hold it for very long and is still being crate trained. He's been having accidents (on purposes?) in the crate at night lately. He didn't at first and would hold it for up to three hours. Now it seems he just goes in there as long as there's a blanket in there. That's NOT housebroken, lol!

Some will say that if the dog is taken out every hour and is constantly supervised so that it never has a chance to go in the house that it is NOT housebroken. Same goes for saying that the pup has NEVER had an accident. Are you sure? Because they've never had a chance to have one. If I leave my pup unsupervised (lately, even for a second) he'll have an accident. I don't think that is necessarily housebroken. Even my Chi that's a year and holds is (again, to my knowledge) all night (about six hours), WOULD go in the house if I left him running loose inside, alone for half the day. I know him! He would un potty train himself in a heartbeat just b/c he can. He's a Chi, that's how they roll. As long as I'm diligent about bringing him out no less than every three hours in the daytime, he's "housebroken."

By contrast, my GS pup is nowhere near that level of housebreaking. He does go sit by the door sometimes if he has to go. That's it. When I first brought him home, he actually whined at the edge of the bed at night to get down and go out (now he has to be crated at night), would come to me and paw at me and whine to go out. Now, he just goes wherever and whenever like he was never taught otherwise. Seems the Chi went through a stage like that too.

I say they're housebroken when you can trust them not to desecrate your floors for a length of time that you know they can or will hold it. NO dog can or should hold it for 12 hours. If that's the expectation, that dog will never be "housebroken."
My youngest GSD is house trained completely as 3 months, my older one (whom we got at 8 weeks) took 4 of 5 months to finally understand what I wanted her to do. I worked with her relentlessly, too. Not so with my 2nd pup. She just seemed to pick it right uo! Love my dogs!!! They're loyalty and love is more reliable than most humans.
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