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01-30-2014 12:00 PM
Blanketback Well really, what's the difference? I see lots of usernames recommending breeders in this thread, but what do these usernames mean to OP? They should mean absolutely nothing. For all anyone knows, they're all the same person typing away day and night, lol!
01-30-2014 11:28 AM
GatorDog
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Originally Posted by Jax08 View Post
I'll address this one....

In my case, the answer it YES. I can recommend a better WLGS breeder. That's not saying Wildhaus is a sub par breeder. They are not. They have good dogs.

I met Wildhaus dogs, watched them work. Liked them a lot. There was a Wildhaus dog at Nationals this year. I watched Wolfstraum dogs work. Watched some Alte Baum dogs work. Liked all of them.

I think watched some Nike/Iron dogs worked and REALLY liked them.

What is "better" for some is not "better" for others. THAT is an opinion based on preferences.

The OP needs to go meet some dogs. Period.



A breeder did NOT make this list. A member of the forum with one dog did. It was made with the input of the breeders. Look for her old posts and it will explain how she created that website.
This. Especially the bolded part.

And to recommend something that you've never seen just boggles my mind.
01-30-2014 11:02 AM
Blanketback
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Originally Posted by Wild Wolf View Post
I figured it would be better to have a list of decent to great breeders then let people stumble upon backyard breeders with zero guidance. That list is in trial mode, if it causes problems it will be removed. I am doing the best I can, I have no ill intentions whatsoever.
You're doing people a great favor by compiling that list. If anyone was dumb enough to just blindly follow some stranger's advice like that, then they'd most likely been screened out by the breeder anyhow. "I want one of your puppies because....uh."
01-30-2014 10:52 AM
lhczth What helped me when I was looking for my first GSD was a mentor (actually a few) to guide me in my decision (they didn't make it for me, they just helped). I had also done a lot of reading (books, articles, no internet back then) and I had training experience with another breed. I had met a number of GSD over the years and knew what I did NOT want. I had been involved in horses for years too so not sure if that helped me sort through the BS when I met or talked to different breeders.

The hard part about going to shows or training clubs is if you don't have experience with the breed you won't always know how to sort through the good or bad. Visiting breeders can also have its disadvantages because people often lead with their hearts and not their brains (puppies are cute). Many breeders are also great salesman.

I guess what I am trying to say is do your research and a lot of it. Attempt to find a mentor who understands what you are looking for, knows the breed and who has nothing to sell you.
01-30-2014 10:52 AM
Wild Wolf
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Originally Posted by martemchik View Post
Wildwolf...you don't have to defend your website. It's a wonderful tool. You don't have to defend that list either. The problem is that the recommendation was made claiming all those breeders are great...it would've been different if someone said, "start here and check out these breeders." But instead it was, "You can't go wrong with any of the breeders on this site!"

On top of that...the other person admitted that the only reason they've recommended certain breeders, is because someone who they believe to be more knowledgeable than themselves has recommended that breeder before. Why should OP or anyone else trust that the person that person trusts so much is actually knowledgeable?

Jakoda laid it out nicely on who you should feel comfortable recommending...people/dogs you have first person experience with.

The problem with recommending on the forum is no one knows what the "recomendees" experience is, what they look for in a dog, what they like to see, or how much they truly do understand about the breed. Many new members take EVERYONE here for experts and believe we're all much more knowledgeable that we probably are (myself included), so making recommendations, without stating WHY you're doing so, or why you believe such and such breeder/dog is worth looking into, is doing the person looking for a recommendation a huge disservice.
Those are excellent points, I will edit the disclaimer on the "list" in regards to that. It must be made very clear.

As I said, the website is just a resource and people need to understand that. I am NOT an expert, which is why I have a group of people I defer to for accuracy of information. People I trust, and others seem to trust too. I am learning, I am a student, but I am sharing what I learn to try and help others on their path of learning.

I hate to derail this thread, but it is important to note that the list on my website is simply a starting point to browse breeders that come highly recommended by a large amount of people, there is a huge diversity on that list and I personally do not have experience with 95% of them.

I figured it would be better to have a list of decent to great breeders then let people stumble upon backyard breeders with zero guidance. That list is in trial mode, if it causes problems it will be removed. I am doing the best I can, I have no ill intentions whatsoever.
01-30-2014 10:38 AM
martemchik Wildwolf...you don't have to defend your website. It's a wonderful tool. You don't have to defend that list either. The problem is that the recommendation was made claiming all those breeders are great...it would've been different if someone said, "start here and check out these breeders." But instead it was, "You can't go wrong with any of the breeders on this site!"

On top of that...the other person admitted that the only reason they've recommended certain breeders, is because someone who they believe to be more knowledgeable than themselves has recommended that breeder before. Why should OP or anyone else trust that the person that person trusts so much is actually knowledgeable?

Jakoda laid it out nicely on who you should feel comfortable recommending...people/dogs you have first person experience with.

The problem with recommending on the forum is no one knows what the "recomendees" experience is, what they look for in a dog, what they like to see, or how much they truly do understand about the breed. Many new members take EVERYONE here for experts and believe we're all much more knowledgeable that we probably are (myself included), so making recommendations, without stating WHY you're doing so, or why you believe such and such breeder/dog is worth looking into, is doing the person looking for a recommendation a huge disservice.
01-30-2014 10:18 AM
LoveEcho
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Originally Posted by Jax08 View Post

What is "better" for some is not "better" for others. THAT is an opinion based on preferences.

The OP needs to go meet some dogs. Period.

THIS. I'd say this is even more critical for someone who is new to the breed.
01-30-2014 10:12 AM
Jax08
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Originally Posted by Zookeep View Post
Have you? Can you recommend better WGSL breeders than Huerta Hof or Alta-Tollhaus? Can you recommend a better WLGS than Wildhaus?
I'll address this one....

In my case, the answer it YES. I can recommend a better WLGS breeder. That's not saying Wildhaus is a sub par breeder. They are not. They have good dogs.

I met Wildhaus dogs, watched them work. Liked them a lot. There was a Wildhaus dog at Nationals this year. I watched Wolfstraum dogs work. Watched some Alte Baum dogs work. Liked all of them.

I think watched some Nike/Iron dogs worked and REALLY liked them.

What is "better" for some is not "better" for others. THAT is an opinion based on preferences.

The OP needs to go meet some dogs. Period.

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Originally Posted by Zookeep View Post
The information is not based on "Internet knowledge", but based on the knowledge of a well-respected breeder on this forum. In my opinion, when one breeder, whose opinion I respect, recommends other breeders, I view that as fairly good advice. If you have negative opinions of breeders on the list, please share it so we can all benefit.
A breeder did NOT make this list. A member of the forum with one dog did. It was made with the input of the breeders. Look for her old posts and it will explain how she created that website.
01-30-2014 10:10 AM
Wild Wolf The "breeder directory" on The German Shepherd Guide website is not meant to be THE PERFECT LIST OF ALL THE PERFECT BREEDERS. It was meant as a starting point for people to start research and start looking into other breeders.

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This breeder directory serves as a reference for potential dog owners, where breeders have been subject to the minimum criteria outlined below. While your own research on breeders is of vital importance, this list should provide an excellent starting point.
That is what I wrote. We are all adults, we can do our own research and make our own decisions with our own opinions. I never claimed it was perfect and flawless, I am just doing my best to help people and point them in the right direction.
01-30-2014 10:08 AM
GatorDog Deb/Jody have a Lara Vikar/Iron von den Wolfen litter on the ground now at almost 2 weeks old.

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