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01-31-2014 01:26 PM
Blanketback Actually, I'd say it makes you a better owner. Not that these are wonderful experiences, but at least she gets to live a nice life exploring around outdoors!

I suggest you make the frisbee the special toy she only sees when you're outside, and give her your full attention with it. If it's just another toy to her, then it won't work. It has to be way more valuable than all the rest.
01-31-2014 12:56 PM
nicky I'll try the frisbee, she likes frisbees and loves balls but the frisbee is maybe a bigger distraction. Ill use the drag leash when we are mucking around on our property.

I read in another thread where they said that if the owner has anxiety around their dog being around other dogs that their dog can pick that up. It definetely makes me anxious now when she sees another dog. My friend has a kennel and we visited yesterday just to see how she would be with other dogs (they were in kennels) and she seemed more scared than wanting to chase/fight/play.

Does it make me a bad owner that she got into bee hive and porqupine? It was a horrible situation but one that is common around here (not so much with the beehive). The only good thing about that is that she will never mess with a beehive, chase a porqupine, and a few other hard learned lessons.

I can't wait to meet the new trainer and see what he thinks/suggests. I guess I shouldnt be too hopeful though.
01-31-2014 12:46 PM
Originally Posted by Liesje View Post

"Crittering" is when they are blowing off commands b/c it's more fun to sniff around for creatures to chase.
such a good description
01-31-2014 12:42 PM
Blanketback Crittering is chasing game, but it sounds like you've had great foundation work with your livestock, so that's a bonus.

I agree, I don't like to have my pup on a leash either. I'm not on my own farm, but it's very rural so even though I have neighbors very close on both sides of me, I have a horse pasture behind me and lots of vacant land across the street. I needed to train my pup not to venture out past the property line. Or chase after the loose dogs, neighbor's children, etc.

What I do is get my pup focused on me, rather than them. I know it's a crutch, but the frisbee works like a charm for this, in our case. Just saying the word "frisbee" will get his attention off whatever he's zoning in on.
01-31-2014 12:40 PM
Liesje Sometimes just having the extra weight of the line on the dog (and not necessarily checking her or using a correction collar) is enough to help with compliance. Nothing wrong with having her drag a line for safety, just pick a material that won't snag.

"Crittering" is when they are blowing off commands b/c it's more fun to sniff around for creatures to chase.
01-31-2014 12:13 PM
nicky Sorry, but I dont know how to quote your posts to respond to them individually.

Yah, I had a feeling the prong drag leash combo was a potential disaster. It makes me nervous to even use the drag leash with just her flat collar if I am not right there with her.

Yesterday we hiked (snowshoed) in the mountains for 4 hours. She is never on any type of leash there and her recall is great. We always see deer and although she is very interested in chasing them I can call her back to me immediately. She always keeps her eye on me and never wanders off. She is also great with our cattle and horses, if took maybe a week to learn she cannot "play" with them but after that she never concerned herself with them again.

The reason I had her on the drag lease when the incident happened is because of the cat situation here and I don't want her to think its ok to chase them. I never expected a person & a growling chihuahua to show up on our property. But she had a running start and when I grabbed the drag leash I just couldnt hold on (especially when my pinky finger got in the way). I called (yelled) for her but theres was no stopping her. She knew she was wrong when I finally got to her. What could I have done differently or what collar or leash would of worked out better? I just don't think/like having to put her on a leash when we are on our property.

Blanketback- What is "crittering"?
01-30-2014 09:39 PM
Chicagocanine I would not leave a dog loose with a correction collar, especially not dragging a leash/line. Possibly a no pull harness might work? I'd rather a dog wear a harness if they were going to be dragging a leash around personally. There are different types, the front attach ones like the Sense-action or EasyWalk, and ones that work in other ways to stop pulling like the Sporn no pull or others, or there's this one that has two attachment points: Freedom No Pull Harness
01-30-2014 01:13 PM
Blanketback I went back to read some of OP's posts, to get a better idea of the situation. The pup is only 9 months old. The crittering seems to be self-taught, since she's gotten into a bee's hive and been hit by a porcupine already. Now that's a harsh correction! Poor girl!
01-30-2014 01:00 PM
Liesje If the dog is tearing around full speed such that a well timed correction would physically harm the dog, I would say the dog is not at a point in the training where it should be allowed to be running around full speed, it has too much freedom at that point. It sounded to me like the OP has already done a good deal of recall training with her dog, but learned of one specific thing she wasn't able to call the dog off of. In this case I would say that for the safety of her, her dog, and possibly other dogs involved it might be worth using some form of correction (whether that's being checked on a collar or using an e-collar) in order to reinforce the verbal commands.

For the initial training of a recall, I personally use no collars or leashes at all. I start just having the dog follow me around getting treats/rewards. Then I throw a treat away from me and while the dog is distracted by it, call him back for another. Then I get people to help me with "restrained recalls". I also praise and reward and young dog any time he "checks in" with me without being asked, and then give a release word so the dog doesn't think that a recall means all the fun is over and we're going in. There are lots of things you can do before putting a collar on the dog but in reality, many dogs at some point will need the point to come home, especially a dog that has high prey drive and/or a dog that is more protective and doesn't take keenly to another dog trespassing. Sometimes a dog just needs to know what is allowed and what's not because if given the choice between chasing a cat and eating a treat, I know my dog Nikon would *always* chase the cat, lol, but he also knows that when I say "stay" that means he's not allowed to cross the street and chase a cat.
01-30-2014 12:46 PM
Originally Posted by Liesje View Post
I don't put lines on dogs and jerk them off their feet at random with no reason or warning.
Oh no, LOL! That's the last thing I meant, and it really is absurd to think of you doing that to your dog

But for others reading this thread, that would respect your opinion, it's nice to have that clarified. I was thinking that OP might inadvertently do it - of course not to deliberately harm their dog, but that's a risk you do take when you're in that situation. JMO.
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