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04-21-2014 01:01 AM
David Winners Thanks Nancy. I think your experience fits in perfectly with the content of the thread.

It will be nice to have everything readily available when referencing the thread later.

David Winners
04-20-2014 09:36 PM
jocoyn David suggested I put a link to this post here

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...other-dog.html

Appropriate behavior from a dog with ZERO puppy playtime after leaving the pack. All interactions were either with known stable adult dogs and after he was a few months old, the goal was to ignore other dogs.

Today we had a good offlead experience with my dog and a teammate's dog on her farm. The ability to "be a dog" was not impaired by not having puppy play time. They knew how to interact, then chill out together when they were a panting heap. Their past exposure to each other was team training - mainly doing obedience near each other.
04-19-2014 06:46 PM
carmspack when I said first impressions, I didn't mean mine or ours, but the first impression that the dogs' had of each other.
In this case neither dog was experienced enough nor mature enough to have any SELF-control, and at the same time did not have outside control by the owners.
They read each other by body postures, vocalization and even scent .
The "other" dog may have been attending this park with its owners for a frequent period and in its mind this was his park . Here comes a stranger (the younger pup) , who is not calm , may be a problem , in any case coming into his territory.
Quick . Do something . Quick , and so without the time necessary to do the ritualized meet and greet , one dog discovered the younger to be afraid and vulnerable , just as he himself was, took advantage and cowed the other into submission -- some control.
04-19-2014 02:12 PM
carmspack I guess I am pinning this thread "puppy got bit by a bigger GSD" to the early socialization because there are so many points useful to discussion in socializing your pup to dog . http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...ger-gsd-2.html

In this case both young dogs were totally over excited . The other dog owner's description was "super friendly" which may be a total misread on seemingly harmless behaviour from his viewpoint , but totally , blatantly , different when perceived from the two dogs' perception .
First impressions. Each dog took a read on the other . Neither in a calm state - two over excited pups . Neither old enough to have established trust from the respective owner, neither one old enough to have controllability so that the situation could be controlled, before it got out of hand. Both dogs were indifferent to the owners. Simple youthful rambunctiousness propelled them into a situation where the youngest was cowed , the older dog emboldened , excited by prey squeals bites the young one more . The situation was ripe for social conflict .
Once separated both had their hair up and still in a state of confused fear (aggressive) arousal.

When you introduce a young dog to another only do so if you know the other dog , and the other dog is not indifferent to the owner , and be able to control your young one so that it is not disrespectful to the older dog - who will give a deserved correction .

Read an interview of Martina Urich , handler of Decster von Barbatus , 9th place Baunatal BSP trials, in Das Schaferhund Magazin.
When asked how Decster was socialized the answer was that there was no particular format , but many things are learned by the young whelp just by living a normal life (Viele Dinge lernt ein Welpe bei mir schon im, normalen Leben) . A little food motivation work, a little booty drive with the tugs . Time goes quickly .
The dog was introduced to working around other dogs around 10 to 12 months and made the first schutzhund club at 12 months.
04-02-2014 01:10 PM
carmspack this little female pup has arrived in Ontario.
She crossed the continent from Oregon to Toronto by air , was picked up and had a 3 hour car ride to the Kawarthas , there she had another leg to her journey , and that was to cross the frozen ice of Lake Joe , pitch dark of night tucked into a a zipped back pack worn on the front , zooming home on a skidoo .

I got the call moments ago. This pup , as expected is absolutely fearless. She entered the new home at 4:45 a.m. found some threads on the carpet and started pulling on them --- found the wrought iron fire poker , knocked it over and then proceeded to pick it up and parade around. She never skipped a beat - She "owned" the house the moment she walked in. So now that the time difference is catching up with the pup and she is resting , so is her new owner.

I'll see them tomorrow for some "tests" in the barn.

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04-02-2014 12:11 PM
Doc
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life coming at you --

while taking a walk through a downtown residential area , head toward the main street (Queen just east of Broadview) and "step into" a film crew taping an elephant walking along ? could never have planned for this .

another totally unexpected situation , take a bike path expecting peace and quiet and then find out that there is a civil war re-enactment on the field above you ?
If come across Gen. Robert E Lee send him home! :
04-02-2014 11:13 AM
carmspack life coming at you --

while taking a walk through a downtown residential area , head toward the main street (Queen just east of Broadview) and "step into" a film crew taping an elephant walking along ? could never have planned for this .

another totally unexpected situation , take a bike path expecting peace and quiet and then find out that there is a civil war re-enactment on the field above you ?
04-02-2014 10:50 AM
carmspack
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My dog looks to me. He wasn't "socialized" to be around Backhoes but had no problem walking by one in operation on a walk in the city. Uh, oh yeah and he's never been in a city before either!

and that is exactly what I meant when I said
"he came into the world ..... and then the world came at him ."
you simply can not plan for everything that you may encounter . Life is full of surprises .

I do like the format set out by Leerburg .

The most important part of socialization is for the dog to fully understand where and what and to whom he belongs. Especially true for GSD which are "loyal" . They were not, are not , meant to be dogs that have their heart on their sleeves . They are to be indifferent to strangers. Not hostile , not seeking friendship.

Don't expect to bring home the shy and retiring animal and take him out to see the world , meet those "100 people" , and turn into a robust outgoing dog.

What you will be able to see is the dogs initial response and time required , if any, for recovery.
Seeing strapping first responders at the fire hall and being "okay" does not in any way indicate that the dog will be "okay" in an emergency with chaos and highly charged emotional situations.
A GSD should be able to adapt and cope with rapidly changing situations . That has to be a genetic consideration.
04-01-2014 04:36 PM
Diesel7602
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Read this, it's what I did with my "people aggressive" GSD and he has no issues! And it's how I train all my future dogs.
http://leerburg.com/whopetspuppy.htm
Thanks for the post. I read it. It's good to see both points of view. Me personally, want a well manor people dog, but protect us if needed.=)

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04-01-2014 12:50 AM
Chip18
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http://avsabonline.org/uploads/posit...ion1-25-13.pdf read this. I think it is important for the early socialization.

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Read this, it's what I did with my "people aggressive" GSD and he has no issues! And it's how I train all my future dogs.
http://leerburg.com/whopetspuppy.htm
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