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02-04-2014 03:07 PM
Lefty That is a great idea to alternate topical with oral ACV. We kind of get the best of both that way without going overboard. I definitely don't want to pickle the puppies with too much!

We are using an antibiotic ointment, not a steroid ointment. We did discuss a steroid ointment as the next step but we would need another eye exam and stain before taking that could be prescribed. I definitely want to avoid going that route if possible. The poor dogs (and my wallet) could use a break from the vets office.

Maybe if I keep up with the topics ACV treatment a few times per week we can avoid a recurrence, assuming there is some environmental cause behind it.



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02-04-2014 02:30 PM
Momto2GSDs
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Thanks!!

When I started adding the ACV to the food I was concerned using the topical at the same time might be overload. Do you know if it is safe to do both at the same time?
Is it a steroid you are using?
I'd opt for just the vinegar myself, but that is a personal choice. If you choose the vinegar route you'd need to ask the vet if you can just stop the eye topical cold turkey if it IS a steroid. Those are nothing to play around with.
02-04-2014 02:24 PM
Momto2GSDs I would consider doing both, but maybe only add half the amount you are feeding now for the food. OR mix it up....Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun, on the back of the neck and Tues, Thurs, Sat, in the food!
The ACV is absorbed by the skin for the eye infection.
Absorbing ACV in the stomach would treat digestion and gut health properties, which is a good thing too, just in case they may have a "yeast" problem going on. You just don't want to over do it. You know the old saying......"too much of a good thing is not always a good thing" LOL
02-04-2014 01:41 PM
Lefty Thanks!!

When I started adding the ACV to the food I was concerned using the topical at the same time might be overload. Do you know if it is safe to do both at the same time?
02-04-2014 01:16 PM
Momto2GSDs YEAH!!!!
Yes, please keep up with the vinegar routine.
Any reason why you stopped the topical vinegar if it was working?

Moms
02-04-2014 12:53 PM
Lefty Time for an update! We tried the ACV remedy for about four days and it definitely made a difference. Both pups eyes seemed brighter and less irritated. They did still have discharge though and so I started them on ointment from the vet to be safe. I stopped the topical treatment of ACV, but did start adding a little ACV to their meals. Hopefully we can knock out this conjunctivitis issue and keep it gone with this treatment plan.

I haven't yet found the right humidifier (the house is a large, open floor plan, so I need something mega), but I'm seeing huge improvements in Greta's coat. I can't say if it is the salmon oil (we do supp with vit. E too), coconut oil, diet change, brushing, or all of the above, but her dandruff is practically gone, she is scratching less, and her coat feels much softer. I still don't know if we have a chicken issue or not, but for now I'm going to be safe and stay clear of the chicken and keep up with the supplements. I'm so happy we seem to be on the right track.

Thank you so much to everyone that replied and especially Moms for the awesome ACV tip!

If we continue to have eye complications I'll update again. Fingers crossed we are done with that though!
01-24-2014 06:56 PM
Momto2GSDs
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Nevermind, I googled it and looks like I need to head back to the store for the raw, unpasteurized. Tonight's application was just practice then!
You are most welcome and yes, the one below would work the best.

From Braggs: Natural (undistilled) organic, raw ACV can really be called one of Mother Nature's most perfect foods. It is made from fresh, crushed apples which are then allowed to mature naturally in wooden barrels, as wood seems to "boost" the natural fermentation. Natural ACV should be rich, brownish color and if held to the light you might see a tiny formation of "cobweb-like" substances that we call the "mother." Usually some "mother" will show in the bottom of the ACV bottle the more it ages. It never needs refrigeration.


Ingredients:
Certified Bragg Organic Raw Apple Cider Vinegar is unfiltered, unheated, unpasteurized and 5% acidity. Contains the amazing Mother of Vinegar which occurs naturally as strand-like enzymes of connected protein molecules.


Yes, please let us know!
Good Luck!
Moms
01-24-2014 06:34 PM
Lefty Nevermind, I googled it and looks like I need to head back to the store for the raw, unpasteurized. Tonight's application was just practice then!
01-24-2014 06:30 PM
Lefty Awesome, thanks Moms! We are feeding the Meadowfeast Earthborn Holistics, which is chicken free, but thank you for the warning. I have no idea if we have a chicken problem, but I figured I might as well start there.

I did our first application of ACV tonight. I will be sure to update everyone on how it goes!

Quick question though, does the ACV for the conjunctivitis/supplement have to be unpasteurized? I bought organic but it is pasteurized.
01-24-2014 10:09 AM
Momto2GSDs
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Thank you so much for the replies!

Moms, I will definitely pick up some apple cider vinegar today. That is a fantastic tip! I much prefer to use a natural remedy if possible, especially since we don't know if there is some environmental irritant that could be the culprit.

I have held off on bathing Greta as I've been fearful of making the dry skin and coat worse. I would very much appreciate if you could pass on your shampoo recipe. I don't want to risk adding irritants with a commercial shampoo.

I'm going to pick up a humidifier too. Our house is very dry right now and that is certainly not helping things.
Good suggestion about getting a humidifier by Onyx!

I know it sounds a little odd, but when I read about using ACV for this a few years ago, more often than not it cured the dogs and cats it was used on for the conjunctivitis!
When absorbed by the skin, the ACV circulates through the system allowing its properties (anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, and anti-viral) to work on the body!
I would also recommend getting the Organic ACV from a health food store for the skin application and adding to food as pasteurization of regular vinegar causes it to loose its' medicinal properties. To save $$, you can use store bought ACV for the after bath rinse since you will use quite a bit of it.
If you are using a flea/tick topical, I would recommend stopping it.....ya never know if the toxins the product contains has negative effects in the body for a particular dog. Dr. Dobozy of the EPA’s Pesticide Division took a look at Fipronil (I would imagine that this would ring true of the other ingredients found in topicals') and found that it does in fact enter the body and was contained in the fat, organs, urine and feces of dogs. Laboratory tests have shown that with long term exposure at low doses, fipronil has the potential for nervous system and thyroid toxicity, thyroid cancer, altered thyroid hormone levels, liver toxicity, kidney damage, convulsions, whining, barking, crying, loss of appetite, locomotor difficulty, reduced fertility, fetus mortality, smaller offspring, loss of hair at or beyond the point of application, moist inflammation, chemical burn and itching. Read the whole article on page 24 here: http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/2012/May2012.pdf

SHAMPOO:
Items Needed:
  • Castile Soap (natural, mild human soap) can be purchased at a local health food store or over the internet. Most health food stores carry Dr. Bronner’s Castile Soap which is already scented. FYI, most dogs do not like the peppermint scented one!
  • Vegetable Glycerin (human moisturizer used in lotions) can be purchased at a local health food store or over the internet.
  • Empty Plastic Bottle (an empty clean shampoo bottle or water bottle with a valve on top is convenient)
  • Optional: Essential Oils of our choice Lavender EO is very soothing to the skin and senses. Can be purchased at a local health food store.
  • Funnel
  • Purified Water
Natural Shampoo
1/2 Cup Castile Soap
1/2 Cup Vegetable Glycerin (this amount can be increased if your dog has a dry a coat or flakey skin)
1 Cup Water (non-floride)
OPTIONAL: 10 Drops of Lavender Essential Oil (or your choice of EO) You can use the EO’s even if the Castile Soap is already scented.


Using a funnel, measure and pour water into the empty shampoo bottle or water bottle. Then add Castile Soap, and Glycerin. Add drops of Essential Oils (your discretion as to how much) directly into shampoo bottle. Turn bottle upside down slowly a few times before each use. Keep away from eyes during use.

For a rinse: mix ˝ cup apple cider vinegar (not other vinegars') to 1 quart of water. You can even mix it half and half if you choose. Keep away from eyes during use.


Just FYI: If you've chosen the "Large Breed" Earthborn, it contains chicken fat (you were suspect of chicken being a problem).


Hope this helps!
Make sure you update this thread after a couple of weeks, as I'm sure others would be interested in learning if it worked for your dog's or not!


Feel free to pm me if you need any specifics.
Moms
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