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01-22-2014 09:07 AM
JESSiBELLE Also, Chip18 & Twyla, any suggestions for a specific prong collar?
01-22-2014 08:53 AM
Originally Posted by Chip18 View Post
Dump that trainer! Start a thread and ask for recommendations on here. That's the kind of stupid crap I did with Gunther years ago and...he was the only one who was bad on a leash!
Sarcasm or serious? I just wanted to see if anyone has had this issue before... how serious it is... suggestions. I'm not against a trainer, just wasn't very fond of how Tank was treated by that one.

Thank you all for your comments and suggestions! I am going to research other trainers in the area to find a better fit for us... and progress from there.
01-21-2014 07:57 PM
Chip18 You go girl!

Dump that trainer! Start a thread and ask for recommendations on here. That's the kind of stupid crap I did with Gunther years ago and...he was the only one who was bad on a leash!

The others were easier no prong collars but I guess Gunther was just always PO'd cause I used it on him?
01-21-2014 05:23 PM
selzer I would not take a dog with a muzzle into a dog park, not dog parks like they are in the US. Sorry. Dogs do not understand muzzles. Dogs understand body language. In order for this to work, the dog will need to have his clock cleaned, muzzled several times, so that the dog realizes, when I have this muzzle thing on, I have to be totally submissive because I have no protection -- that kind of thinking isn't dog-thinking.

Wearing a muzzle at the vet so no one will get bit in the waiting room is fine, you are not turning dogs with their teeth intact and free, loose with your dog to react to his body language and either back down or attack him.

I wouldn't do this -- muzzle for the dog park.

And a dog shoving his muzzled head down a puppy after some intimidating body language, and possibly pinning it with his paw, and growling, snarling, etc -- it can terribly frighten the puppy.

The muzzle might make the dog so weirded out that it is more concerned about getting the muzzle off of its face, that he doesn't bother the puppy, but it can still make a negative encounter with a puppy, and I would not want a large muzzled dog to be brought up to my pup, that I am trying to socialize with positive dog experiences.
01-21-2014 04:26 PM
Harry and Lola Agree dogs don't need other canine companionship, however it is important they behave when necessary. If you like the dog park and are concerned about nipping, then put a basket muzzle on him. I occasionally take Harry to a dog park (for training - he needs to learn how to greet other dogs better) however I completely understand people do not want their dogs to be used as a training tool for mine, so I muzzle him which makes me feel better as I know he can't nip or bite. However, I have only done this a handful of times because of peoples look of horror at a german shepherd in the dog park with a muzzle on - they usually leave before I can explain why he is muzzled. You don't have this problem as you say there is another GSD at the park with a muzzle on.

My Harry is very similar to Tank regarding young puppies, I do not allow him the opportunity to go near them without a muzzle on.

I suggest you muzzle him around your friends puppy that way he won't be able to frighten the puppy and contribute to creating fear for the puppy.

These are german shepherds, not laid back labs etc, they need close monitoring around other dogs and do play rough. People not used to GSDs can be quite shocked at how rough and noisy they can be when playing and how quickly play escalates to telling each other off.

With the pulling, I have used a canny collar (similar to a gentle leader but better) and it really does work, I don't need to use it now, however still do sometimes.

Also, imo one of the best training steps you can teach him is to 'look' where on command he focuses on you. This command, once learned, is fantastic for being able to step in before a bad situation may occur.

All in all, I don't think he is a bad GSD or you are a bad owner, I'm sure all of us have been through this exact problem.
01-21-2014 04:12 PM
selzer Usually, male-female dog-dog relations work when they live together, after getting used to each other, usually.

Dog-aggression can be aggression toward all dogs, regardless.

It can also be reactive toward dogs outside the family unit. And dogs within the family unit are fine. Perfectly fine with these dogs, EXCEPT, if the dog reacts while you are walking both dogs, and unable to get to the evil alien dog, a reactive dog may redirect their aggression on the dog that is available.

Bitches who hate other bitches within their pack, let's term it intra-pack aggression, can often be perfect around alien dogs -- maybe not dogs that come onto their property, or accost their owners, they might get snarky if their owner is loving on this foreign bitch, but usually they do not have any trouble with dogs or bitches who are working along side their own owners and doing their thing -- they do not necessarily display extra-pack aggression.

I guess I am just pointing out, that because a dog has a less then happy attitude toward strange dogs, it does not mean he is a danger toward dogs he lives with, as the opposite is certainly true of some bitches.
01-21-2014 04:05 PM
Originally Posted by selzer View Post
How to Fit/Use a Gentle Leader | Big Dogs Huge Paws, Inc
... until better skill at heeling is achieved through training.
Now see that's the catch 22!
01-21-2014 04:00 PM
Twyla Locate a trainer - one that won't scare the crap out of your dog. Keep in mind they may recommend using a prong, but if used correctly, it won't hurt your dog although the first time used it will startle and there may be a yelp. It will be like 'she really expects me to listen, better get my butt in gear'

Head halters can cause neck injury if there is sudden lunges/jumping and they can break ( had that happen to me). With that being said, some do use them with success.

Forget the dog park, to many variable and other dogs who may or may not be under control.
01-21-2014 03:52 PM
JESSiBELLE I forgot to add, the puppy did go with us to the dog park. We did not have the puppy when the other snapping episode happened. (Tank was a one at that time)
01-21-2014 03:48 PM
Originally Posted by Galathiel View Post
a Gentle Leader is a no-pull harness. Maybe he's uncomfortable by their weird noises (puppies make lots of noises). I would just limit his contact with other dogs.
How to Fit/Use a Gentle Leader | Big Dogs Huge Paws, Inc

A gentle leader is a head collar. It goes around the dog's muzzle and neck. It is a tool, and there is a degree of danger if the person holding the leash is accustomed to correcting the dog with the leash, or yanking the dog out of danger or away from problems.

Halti-collars, and Gentle Leaders -- both head halters, can be very effective to keep a dog from pulling, as dogs can pull more with their neck and shoulders than they can their heads. And they can be effective if the dog is reactive, because a hyper-vigilent handler has control of the dog's head and can direct it away from questionable things before there is a reaction.

If I was a trainer, I would not suggest them for clients who tend to be reactive themselves. I would probably suggest a prong collar to use as a crutch to keep the dog and handler safe, until better skill at heeling is achieved through training.
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