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01-14-2014 04:45 PM
misslesleedavis1 The lady also mentioned a boarding facility around my area that was run by a person who advised against vaccines and allowed multiple dogs in the facility that had no vaccines.
This could be false info and that is why i did not include it in my initial thread, if it is not hear say and is factual this type of place would worry me IMO, i would like to find out if it is true or not.
01-14-2014 04:20 PM
TAR HEEL MOM I give mine a full regimen annually. But then I work in a shelter and I am exposed to unvaccinated dogs every day and no matter how hard I try to clean up, I know that I take all kinds of germs home. Better safe than sorry, IMO. But I also feel that each person should have the opportunity to decide for themselves.
01-14-2014 04:05 PM
jocoyn We had a good long discussion on lepto this spring..

The other thing not here is the hepatitis has re-emerged in NE (Maine/New Hampshire) and along Mexican border. Dodds protocol only does distemper and parvo. I did feel safer that my dog had the regular puppy vaccine containing DHPP though I understand immunity to hepatitis is pretty strong after a boostered initial vaccination. [no titer for it at the vet]

This is the lepto discussion. Sometimes it is easier not to think to hard


http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...ospirosis.html
01-14-2014 03:52 PM
misslesleedavis1
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Just to be clear. There are about 8 servovars of letpo of over 200 out there that infect dogs. 4 of these are in one group of vaccines and only 2 in another group. Typically the combo vaccines DHLPP only have 2 servovars and are the least effective. If you intend to give a lepto vaccine, ask for a 4 way shot. There were issues with vaccine reactions that are largely resolved nowadays compared to earlier versions of the vaccine, but it does become an annual commitment.

Emergent brasislava is in none of them, and efficacy I think against pomona is questionable. I have seen way too many vets only give one lepto vaccine then say see you next year. To immunize the dog it needs to be done two shots, about 4 weeks apart - then annually. Lepto tends to peak early fall.

Challenge studies are very sketchy on all the vaccines. I think Merck is the strongest, the only one with any data to back up a year claim on one of the servovars, the only one documented to prevent shedding, and has no adjuvant but I can't find a vet who gives that one locally and cannot buy it so.. I don't know..The most popular vaccine challenged pups with one of the 4 servovars one month after the vaccine so right at peak immunity. I have a paper copy of the Pfizer study, read it, and was completely unimpressed. I do not have the Merck study; just an abstract.

So, the point is....Lepto Vaccine may reduce the likelihood the dog gets leptospirosis. It is absolutely no guarantee. I have still struggled with it and have not given despite the fact my dog is in the woods a lot but still not sure whether or not I made the right decision.

Can i borrow you next time i have to go to the vets with my doggies please?????
01-14-2014 03:50 PM
jocoyn Just to be clear. There are about 8 servovars of letpo of over 200 out there that infect dogs. 4 of these are in one group of vaccines and only 2 in another group. Typically the combo vaccines DHLPP only have 2 servovars and are the least effective. If you intend to give a lepto vaccine, ask for a 4 way shot. There were issues with vaccine reactions that are largely resolved nowadays compared to earlier versions of the vaccine, but it does become an annual commitment.

Emergent brasislava is in none of them, and efficacy I think against pomona is questionable. I have seen way too many vets only give one lepto vaccine then say see you next year. To immunize the dog it needs to be done two shots, about 4 weeks apart - then annually. Lepto tends to peak early fall.

Challenge studies are very sketchy on all the vaccines. I think Merial is the strongest, the only one with any data to back up a year claim on one of the servovars, the only one documented to prevent shedding, and has no adjuvant but I can't find a vet who gives that one locally and cannot buy it so.. I don't know..The most popular vaccine challenged pups with one of the 4 servovars one month after the vaccine so right at peak immunity. I have a paper copy of the Pfizer study, read it, and was completely unimpressed. I do not have the Merial study; just an abstract.

So, the point is....Lepto Vaccine may reduce the likelihood the dog gets leptospirosis. It is absolutely no guarantee. I have still struggled with it and have not given despite the fact my dog is in the woods a lot but still not sure whether or not I made the right decision.

EDIT-I am not really comfortable with the Dogs Naturally article. These are killed bacteria, Merial is recombinant. [killed bacteria usually need adjuvant, recombinant not-the vaccine reactions are usually the source of reactions to vaccines but are needed to get the body to mount an immune response] so about it causing lepto, I am not sure I buy that one.
01-14-2014 03:37 PM
misslesleedavis1
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Something to read before vaccinating for Lepto.

SMOKE AND MIRRORS | Dogs Naturally Magazine
Well thats a good article.
01-14-2014 03:28 PM
N Smith The reason that woman can get away with not vaccinating her dogs, is because most of the general population does. This keeps the spead of disease down.

I DO NOT vaccinate annually(Nothing after puppy series), and only give rabies as needed for travel (not requried by law where I reside). I follow an extremely minimal vaccine protocol - which I began once I had done all my research and developed a plan I am comfortable with.

I would ignore anyoe fear mongering on either side of the fence, they are usually the ones who have done the least amount of research, so try to use fear to sway you I prefer when people show you actual facts, papers, science etc. and allowing you to choose from there. I think its great others want to share what they have learned and think it may help you - but it shouldn't be forced on you.
01-14-2014 02:57 PM
halo2013
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So, last night i got a pretty severe earful from a person about getting my dogs vaccinated. My dogs are UTD on everything and she was pretty hard core anti vaccinating them, her reason being that "dogs live off the land, and vaccines are not needed in their natural state", my argument against this was, rabies, parvo, distemper exists, and i would like to prevent it from happening to my dogs..i have never known a person to never have their dogs vaccinated, is it common? did i miss out on something when it comes to my dogs living off the land lol? For the record, i wont be letting my dogs go without vaccines i am just curious as to what everyones thoughts are, and if their is any benefits in what this woman does with her animals.
I agree I say do what works for you. Some people seem to forget wild dogs live off the land domestic dogs live with a family. Your not only protecting your dog. But your family as well. I'll never not vaccinate my dog. You never known when your dog can get into something or get big by something.

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01-14-2014 02:56 PM
halo2013
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Leptospirosis is a vaccine myself and my fiance debated about getting. We did in the end because our dogs go off roading alot and they love to find the most gross swamp they can and bask in it. I agree that its each individuals choice on what they do. If i had to choose one vaccine i could not live without for my dog, it would be rabies!!
I give my dog lepto shots. I had a dog that got lepto. I got fishing alot in the summer. So my first incident of lepto I made sure was the last.

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01-14-2014 02:49 PM
BowWowMeow I do 2 sets of puppy shots, a one year booster and then rabies (only) every 3 years until they are a senior. At that point I titer (for rabies only). I do not vaccinate for lepto or lyme's because there are still a lot of problems with the lepto vaccine and it doesn't cover many of the infectious strains. However, I know the symptoms of lepto and will rush Rafi to the vet should he exhibit any of those symptoms.
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