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01-08-2014 11:48 AM
Soundguy My 3 year old has UAP and is also very active and lives on a horse farm. I've always given Acti-Flex K9 to my dogs as I've never found a better joint supplement, but Cas has also been on green lipped sea mussel for about 8 months and I highly recommend it. I buy Xtend-life brand directly from New Zealand and I've seen really good results. I also give him Cetyl M as kind of a 'shotgun approach' to protection. Before he took sea mussel and Cetyl M he would get sore on his right elbow if he over it. Now, he does what he wants, rarely gets sore and if he does, his rebound time is much quicker. He has also never seen his x-rays so he thinks he's normal!
01-08-2014 11:34 AM
WVGSD I am a fan of Duralactin Equine Joint Plus. The dose for a GSD is one teaspoon daily and it has worked well for my seniors and rescued dogs with injuries.

The Joint Plus version has the glucosamine and chondroitin. A 3.75 pound bucket will last one dog about eight months at one teaspoon per day and looks like rabbit pellets. They are butter flavored and my dogs get them in their food mixed with warm water. There is never anything left behind.

Duralactin® for Equines
01-08-2014 11:25 AM
vom Eisenherz In a dog not showing any symptoms, now's the time to work on keeping it that way. It's not cheap, but Adequan is the way to to, imo, to PREVENT the dog from showing signs for hopefully, a long, long time. Read up on how it works before you dismiss it for cost. The loading dose is pricey, but remember, you can go months between injections after a while and the loading dose is only for a month or so.

I've seen amazing before and after x-rays with Adequan. Unfortunately, they were quite a few years ago and I don't have digital copies of them to post easily. There is more data from horse folks, so read that as well when making your decision.
01-08-2014 10:31 AM
Momto2GSDs
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Originally Posted by Magwart View Post
I'm a big fan of Natural Eggshell Membrane (NEM) and Biocell Collagen II (with Hyaluronic Acid), as well as fish oil (plus mixed-tocopherol Vitamin E), and Ester-C. (I ordered human-grade from Vitacost, when I had a very arthritic senior.)

This video is useful info about GAGs in joints--and NEM (but the supplement on the site is not what I bought):
Pet Joint Supplements | Healthy Joint Support - Mercola.com

I've also recently used Dasuquin on a foster dog with issues and it seemed to be very effective -- loading at a double-dose for a month, then stepping down to a maintenance dose. Vets seem to think highly of Dasuquin: What is Dasuquin®?

I would suggest you go beyond supplements and talk with your vet about Adequan injections (closely related to glucosamine and GAGs, but in a very absorbable form that goes into the synovial fluid and is incredibly effective for many dogs). There's a generic called Polyglycan that's less expensive, but has been effective for some younger dogs I know with HD. Both require a loading dose (a series of injections -- with adequan it's two a week for four weeks), then a maintenance dose (with young dogs, you may step down to just one a month).

The magic of these injections is they help lubricate the joint and build cartilage to cushion it -- healing rather than just masking inflammation. I know several young dogs with pretty bad HD who are on this stuff who run and play at full speed, without any sign of disease.
Good advice!

Mercola products are excellent too!

But, questionable with Dasuquin: DASUQUIN: contains
ASU Avocado/Soybean Unsaponifiables & Soy Protein Isolate
I am not a fan of any soy products for animals for the following reasons:
Per Dr. Karen Becker: “Soy is estrogenic and can wreak havoc on your dog’s endocrine system.”
Soybeans and/or soy products are not clinically proven to be safe for pets to consume.
Soybeans also contain potent enzyme-inhibitors. These inhibitors block uptake of trypsin and other enzymes which the body needs for protein digestion.
Soy contains a natural chemical that mimics estrogen, the female hormone.
-ASU possible side effects: stomach problems, rash. Soy supplements are also known to interact with iron.
Brewers Yeast (leftovers from distilling breweries)
While Brewers Yeast contains B vitamins (Biotin) and trace minerals some dogs may be sensitive to it especially if they have any allergies. Several references mention bloating, gas or indigestion is possible.

That being said, Dasuquin has had decent reviews so it boils down to a personal choice.

Moms
01-08-2014 09:51 AM
Momto2GSDs
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Originally Posted by FG167 View Post
Thank you so much for the info Momto2GSDs! I have read a lot about that green lipid mussel as well. You are pleased with it? This is another one I am very interested in: HylaSport Canine

LaRen, I have not yet (we just got the film results back). But, I do have several offers of pools I can take him to and I'm looking into them for sure!
Several years ago when I emailed them about whether or not any of their ingredients came from China and were tested for QUALITY, they never answered (I sent the email 3 times). I can't say whether that is still true today.

Yes, very happy with the Mussel Dog!

Also ask about Adequin shots from your vet. There is a generic formula.

Moms
01-08-2014 09:50 AM
Magwart I'm a big fan of Natural Eggshell Membrane (NEM) and Biocell Collagen II (with Hyaluronic Acid), as well as fish oil (plus mixed-tocopherol Vitamin E), and Ester-C. (I ordered human-grade from Vitacost, when I had a very arthritic senior.)

This video is useful info about GAGs in joints--and NEM (but the supplement on the site is not what I bought):
Pet Joint Supplements | Healthy Joint Support - Mercola.com

I've also recently used Dasuquin on a foster dog with issues and it seemed to be very effective -- loading at a double-dose for a month, then stepping down to a maintenance dose. Vets seem to think highly of Dasuquin: http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/products...at-is-dasuquin

I would suggest you go beyond supplements and talk with your vet about Adequan injections (closely related to glucosamine and GAGs, but in a very absorbable form that goes into the synovial fluid and is incredibly effective for many dogs). There's a generic called Polyglycan that's less expensive, but has been effective for some younger dogs I know with HD. Both require a loading dose (a series of injections -- with adequan it's two a week for four weeks), then a maintenance dose (with young dogs, you may step down to just one a month).

The magic of these injections is they help lubricate the joint and build cartilage to cushion it -- healing rather than just masking inflammation. I know several young dogs with pretty bad HD who are on this stuff who run and play at full speed, without any sign of disease.
01-08-2014 09:27 AM
FG167 Thank you so much for the info Momto2GSDs! I have read a lot about that green lipid mussel as well. You are pleased with it? This is another one I am very interested in: HylaSport Canine

LaRen, I have not yet (we just got the film results back). But, I do have several offers of pools I can take him to and I'm looking into them for sure!
01-08-2014 08:48 AM
LaRen616
Falon, I don't know about pills but have you tried taking him to swimming therapy?
01-08-2014 08:41 AM
Momto2GSDs
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What about NuPro vs Glyco-Flex? Anything I should know about/consider?

Thanks for the info! Although he has a diagnosis, he is not showing any symptoms but I'm hoping the supplements may help with that.
Nupro: “NUPRO is made with fresh quality health food ingredients that are human-grade, not animal-grade.” (that’s what makes this company noteworthy!)
Ingredients: GLUCOSAMINE COMPLEX (500 mg per scoop): is our own special formula that is an easily absorbed natural substance that stimulates the production of proteoglycans which help to maintain the health and resiliency of connective tissues and restores the damaged cells of cartilage tissue. Glucosamine complex helps promote the synovial fluid that lubricates the joints.
METHYLSULFONYLMETHANE (MSM) (300 mg per scoop): is a natural source of bioavailable sulfur, essential for the growth and repair of tendons, cartilage and other connective tissues. MSM is also an anti-inflammatory agent.
ESTER-C* CHELATED MINERAL BLEND (300 mg per scoop): boosts the absorption of the glucosamine complex and MSM and promotes collagen formation.
NUPRO Joint Support also contains Norwegian kelp, flaxseed, nutritional yeast culture (not the same as Brewer’s yeast, but should be used in moderation if yeast sensitive), desiccated liver, bee pollen, garlic, calcium citrate, lecithin and lactobacillus acidophilus.
NUPRO is made with fresh, premium ingredients that are human-grade quality. NUPRO does NOT contain any preservatives, sugar, fillers, corn, wheat, grains, or by-products.

Glyco-Flex Classic - 600mg: Contains: Perna Canaliculus (Green Lipped Mussel), Alfalfa, Brewers Yeast (A By-product of brewery’s and distilleries. Dogs can be sensitive to this which caused them to itch), Cellulose (Sawdust), Silicon dioxide, Steric Acid. Perna is GREAT for joints, unless the dog is sensitive to fish.


This is what I use for my guys: Green Lipid Mussel - Perna Canaliculus - source of amino acids, protein, naturally chelated minerals and glycosaminoglycans (GAGs) including chondroitin -4- and -6- sulfates "Mussel-Dog contains a one-of-a-kind blend of nutritious fatty acids that you simply can't find anywhere else in nature. In short, the Green Lipped Mussel is acclaimed for its ability to inhibit inflammation in the body. Naturally relieves joint discomfort and pain associated with arthritic type conditions, reduces acute and chronic inflammation helping to promote your dog's natural healing process, promotes great health while reducing inflammation associated with allergies and skin irritation, and promotes a shiny, beautiful and lustrous coat." patented extract PCSO-524® For the first 3 weeks, you start out with mega doses, then go down to 1 capsule 2 X daily. We take the human version and it has helped me with my knees! https://www.musseldoghealth.com/Muss...fits.dtm#order


Here is another one:
K9 Level 5000 | Liquid Health? Pets - K9 Level 5000 also contains a comprehensive blend of natural, cutting-edge support ingredients to further enhance its effectiveness. These ingredients include Aquamin® Algae mineral blend, enzyme support from Bromelain, antioxidant support from grape seed extract, and Boswellia.
8 ounces = $24: Keep refrigerated

Under 10 lbs ½ teaspoon
10-24 lbs 1 teaspoon
25-49 lbs 1 teaspoon in AM + 1 teaspoon in PM
50-100 lbs 2 teaspoons in AM + 1 teaspoons PM
Over 100 lbs 2 teaspoons in AM + 2 teaspoons in PM

Active Ingredients per Fluid Ounce
Glucosamine Sulfate (shellfish) USP 2600 mg
Glucosamine Hcl (shellfish) USP 2600 mg
Chondroitin Sulfate USP 1000 mg
(beef and/or porcine, shark cartilage)
MSM (Opti-MSM® Brand) 1000 mg
Hyaluronic Acid (as Sodium Hyaluronate) 100 mg
Ascorbic Acid 200 mg
Joint PLUS (Proprietary Blend)
Aquamin® Red Algae mineral blend (Lithothamnion Calcareum), Bromelain, Boswellia Serreta, Grape Seed Extract
01-08-2014 06:29 AM
FG167 What about NuPro vs Glyco-Flex? Anything I should know about/consider?

Thanks for the info! Although he has a diagnosis, he is not showing any symptoms but I'm hoping the supplements may help with that.
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