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01-06-2014 02:27 PM
OUbrat79 MaggieRoseLee here is proof that I can in fact train something, lol.
http://youtu.be/_MPflJL85W4


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01-06-2014 02:22 PM
trcy I have never used a clicker. A trainer taught "leave it" by throwing something behind him on the floor. (a treat) and when the dog went for it blocked his way saying leave it. As soon as the dog looked up at the trainer he gave a treat with saying good.

Once the dog stops trying to get around you, he stands aside throwing the treat and saying leave it.

It worked really well, I could throw pieces of steak on the floor and give the "leave it command" and the dog would not touch it.

It also worked with Riley around other dogs. He was a bit dog aggressive until he got to know the dog. I would see he was going to react and before he did, say leave it and walk by and he did not growl or bark at the dog. Sometimes I missed the signs, but he still came back under control with a leash pop and leave it command. I did not take him unleashed around dogs he did not know.
01-06-2014 02:12 PM
OUbrat79
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Have you had a chance to see ---> http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...-training.html ? Kind of explains that once we get that high energy LOVE for learning with us, we can really teach our dogs anything. And it sounds like your dog has the potential.

Not saying it makes training 'easy' for us. What is does is make us MUCH better trainers with a dog that can't wait to be with us and trying to figure out what the heck is next
I will check it out.


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01-06-2014 01:34 PM
MaggieRoseLee
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I have never thought of it that way. I will keep going with the clicker and food and see how he works with it. I'm used to a calm focus when we are training.


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Have you had a chance to see ---> http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...-training.html ? Kind of explains that once we get that high energy LOVE for learning with us, we can really teach our dogs anything. And it sounds like your dog has the potential.

Not saying it makes training 'easy' for us. What is does is make us MUCH better trainers with a dog that can't wait to be with us and trying to figure out what the heck is next
01-06-2014 01:32 PM
MaggieRoseLee You may also want to start adding the clicker into other new behaviors so that he's really linking the training with the click/treat and it's more normal (and he knows more treats are coming during the session) so he's not SO over the top EXCITED. Though, like I said, you want a balance with the love/excitement/WANTING to be with you to learn something new with his ability to keep his brain to learn (though he seems to be learning the behavior like a ROCK STAR GSD!).
01-06-2014 01:29 PM
OUbrat79
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Since you want that focus/attention when learning ... what you see as annoying is the DRIVE and focus you want WHEN TRAINING A NEW BEHAVIOR. It shouldn't matter that he's loving the treats (though you can teach a gentle if he's drawing blood) cause what you are TEACHING is the 'leave it' and if he's getting that then the method is working.

Later you start to 'fade' the clicking/treating with random reinforcement (vital to NOT go from all treats all the time to no treats ever) and then fade to treats rarely and more verbals for praise.

The point of using a clicker is to get our dogs 'in the game' to learn NEW things. And have to say you clearly have a wonderful dog and have started out the steps properly.

But you may want to backtrack yourself for just a bit to make sure you get all the steps/reasons for clicker training and not just the ones explaining teaching a specific behavior. Using a clicker is about us learning an entirely new way to teach our dogs and FIRST we need to really understand our part as the teacher and then go thru the steps with 'the student'.

Clicker Training Lessons -

Dog Training | Karen Pryor Clicker Training

When teaching something new I don't want my dog 'calm and attentive' I want my dogs EXCITED and attentive. I want my dogs to love to learn so much they can't wait to learn and purposely add the tug toys and yummy treats to get that excitement. The fact you are getting that with clicker training and never have in the past shows (to me) that you've finally really engaged your dog in the training process more than you were ever able to in the past. And that's a GOOD thing you just need to keep molding and managing to refine and continue on this great learning path.
I have never thought of it that way. I will keep going with the clicker and food and see how he works with it. I'm used to a calm focus when we are training.


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01-06-2014 01:26 PM
OUbrat79
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So. He is sitting in front of you - you have a piece of food on the floor by him. You tell him to 'leave it' - You might have to cup the food to not allow him to grab it. The moment he looks away from the food, you mark the behavior and YOU pick up the food - or you give him another piece of food - but not the object of food that you've requested for him to 'leave'...right?
Right. I usually start the session with him leaving the food that is in my closed hand, then my open hand, then the floor or out of my kids hands. I always reward with something that other than what he has been told to leave.


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01-06-2014 01:20 PM
Lilie Whew...MaggieRoseLee! I was hoping you'd jump in!!! OP - MaggieRoseLee was the one who gave advice to me when I taught 'Leave it'!!!!!! She's gooooood!!!!
01-06-2014 01:19 PM
Lilie So. He is sitting in front of you - you have a piece of food on the floor by him. You tell him to 'leave it' - You might have to cup the food to not allow him to grab it. The moment he looks away from the food, you mark the behavior and YOU pick up the food - or you give him another piece of food - but not the object of food that you've requested for him to 'leave'...right?
01-06-2014 01:18 PM
MaggieRoseLee Since you want that focus/attention when learning ... what you see as annoying is the DRIVE and focus you want WHEN TRAINING A NEW BEHAVIOR. It shouldn't matter that he's loving the treats (though you can teach a gentle if he's drawing blood) cause what you are TEACHING is the 'leave it' and if he's getting that then the method is working.

Later you start to 'fade' the clicking/treating with random reinforcement (vital to NOT go from all treats all the time to no treats ever) and then fade to treats rarely and more verbals for praise.

The point of using a clicker is to get our dogs 'in the game' to learn NEW things. And have to say you clearly have a wonderful dog and have started out the steps properly.

But you may want to backtrack yourself for just a bit to make sure you get all the steps/reasons for clicker training and not just the ones explaining teaching a specific behavior. Using a clicker is about us learning an entirely new way to teach our dogs and FIRST we need to really understand our part as the teacher and then go thru the steps with 'the student'.

Clicker Training Lessons -

Dog Training | Karen Pryor Clicker Training

When teaching something new I don't want my dog 'calm and attentive' I want my dogs EXCITED and attentive. I want my dogs to love to learn so much they can't wait to learn and purposely add the tug toys and yummy treats to get that excitement. The fact you are getting that with clicker training and never have in the past shows (to me) that you've finally really engaged your dog in the training process more than you were ever able to in the past. And that's a GOOD thing you just need to keep molding and managing to refine and continue on this great learning path.
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