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01-01-2014 02:28 AM
boomer11 if your dog likes tug then the ball on a string method works like a charm. just play tug with it and then throw the ball. then stand there and clap your hands together and wait for your dog to bring the ball back. when she does then immediately start acting crazy and playing tug again. rinse and repeat. soon the dog learns if i bring the ball back then i get to play some more. the dog will eagerly bring the ball on string/ball/tug etc back to you. if you train it right then you basically have a heat seeking missile. no matter if i run left or right or backwards, my dog will run to me and ram that ball into my stomach because he knows that giving the toy back to me as quickly as possible means the game begins again.
01-01-2014 01:36 AM
Baillif Part of the problem is your dog probably has a degree of possessiveness. It desires to posess so he goes into a bit of keep away from you at the last second. You can always tell it is the case when those dogs run the circle around you showing off their prize. Sometimes those are the same dogs that have sticky outs. I've dealt with it two ways in the past.

One is to use a ball with string and tug with them then throw it and ignore the dog till he gets bored and returns with it looking for you to bring life back to the toy. You then Mark and reward with that game of tug with the rope ball and not food. If the dog doesn't bring it back don't even glance the pups way and def don't try to chase him because you make it fun for him. Just walk away or wait him out. I did it watching tv. I really didn't give a crap if the dog brought it back and if he didn't it meant I could keep ignoring him. He wanted attention so he quickly learned bringing it back activated me.

The other is doggie dad's suggestion and play with him on a line where you can use negative reinforcement little tugs on the leash to pull him back to you on a cue then mark reward the returns with another throw or tug.
12-31-2013 09:15 PM
doggiedad teach her to retrieve on a leash or a long line. it you use
a long line don't let it out all of the way. before i taught
my dog to retrieve i taught him to carry things and he knew "come".

remember "if your dog isn't doing what you want you have to stop
and ask yourself, what am i doing wrong". i read that somewhere.
12-31-2013 09:11 PM
David Taggart
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When I through the toy again she ran to it but didn't grab it. Instead she just ran back to me and sat there expecting a treat. I've tried a million times but she just keeps doing that.
Was it you who wrote it? Use the treat!!!!!!!!!!!
12-31-2013 08:58 PM
Xena9012 To make it a bit clearer she loves to fetch and run after the toy. The problem is that she won't drop it.
12-31-2013 08:01 PM
David Taggart
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some dogs just never have good ball drive.
That is true. Is your dog of a working line, by the way? Actually, a ball play could be an indicator for finding out whether your dog is a working dog. Working dogs learn to fetch early, because their predatory drive is high ( ball represents prey), they are mad about their toys, and if there is none - they will find some stick and bring it to you asking to throw it for them, they will fetch anything you throw, palatable objects and unpalatable, heavy and awkward to carry, they could hardly stand on their legs after 2 hours of intensive chasing and still wishing to continue to play . Your puppy could be not really wishing to work, don't press on it then. Another possibility - I think your dog might have misunderstood you a little bit - if her toy is her prey, what is that you are taking out of your pocket then? Also I'd advise you to train her to have her toy in her teeth for longer. Ask her to carry it in her mouth all the way down to the place where you play. Ask her to fetch it if she drops it.
12-31-2013 07:53 PM
David Winners
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Originally Posted by TexasCrane View Post
Very solid advice, but my guess is that you're in a completely different zip-code here.
How do we learn without trying what we can't already do?



David Winners
12-31-2013 07:45 PM
TexasCrane
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If the dog will tug, I set the retrieve foundation through tug, encouraging the dog to bring me the tug to activate the game. Start at very short distances and just release the tug into the dogs mouth and then encourage them to bring it right back to begin playing again. After the dog is bringing the tug back with energy, start tossing it a bit.

For the formal retrieve, I feel it works best to back chain it. Start by marker training the hold, then a short bring to hold, then an actual retrieve. Start at the end and work backwards. This will work in a less formal setting as well. No need for the front or hold, just a good out.

David Winners
Very solid advice, but my guess is that you're in a completely different zip-code here.
12-31-2013 07:41 PM
David Winners If the dog will tug, I set the retrieve foundation through tug, encouraging the dog to bring me the tug to activate the game. Start at very short distances and just release the tug into the dogs mouth and then encourage them to bring it right back to begin playing again. After the dog is bringing the tug back with energy, start tossing it a bit.

For the formal retrieve, I feel it works best to back chain it. Start by marker training the hold, then a short bring to hold, then an actual retrieve. Start at the end and work backwards. This will work in a less formal setting as well. No need for the front or hold, just a good out.

David Winners
12-31-2013 07:34 PM
boomer11 you shouldnt need treats for fetch. the game of fetch IS the reward for the dog. its fun for them to chase the ball. the two ball game only works if your dog likes fetching. now if your dog eagerly goes after the ball but doesnt bring it back then you can need to work on engagement. if your dog isnt interested in fetching then i'd give her time to mature. mine would only chase the ball a couple of times and then quit before he was 6 months. from 6 months on, his ball drive exploded. by 8 months he'll bring me anything that looks like a ball in hopes that i'll throw it.

some dogs just never have good ball drive. my first dog would only chase the ball a handful of times and then would rather go do something else. just not his thing.
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