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01-30-2014 10:51 PM
Harry and Lola At such a young age, be guided by your Vet, hopefully you have a good Vet and will be able to get heart and all worms under control.

With weight guides they are used as a guideline and are based on average GSDs. They are excellent for everyone including owners, breeders even Vets to use as a basis, if your puppy is not within range of the average weight for its age, then you need to ask yourself why? Is my puppy underweight because she is small in height, or am I feeding her enough food or is there a medical issue. Guidelines are meant to reassure you or get you to question is there is something wrong.

According to what you say, she is 12 weeks and 18 pounds, according to the weight chart I go by a 12 week average GSD female is between 17 and 26 pounds with average being 22 pounds. 18 pounds is an excellent weight she is just at the small end of a good weight range - perfectly fine.

Imo it is great that weight charts have made you question yourself and took her off to the Vet for a check up.

Here is a guideline we use in Australia, the following weights are in kilos, to convert to pounds multiply by 2.2. I find it good to use this as a guide, and remember if your GSD doesn't fit in here, then question why.

German Shepherd Weight for Age Growth Chart
1 month male range 2.5-4, average 3.5 - female range 2- 3.5, average 3
2 month male range 6- 9, average 7 female range 5- 7.5, average 6.5
3 month - male range 10-14, average 12 female range 8- 12, average 10
4 month male range 16-18, average 17 female range 13-16, average 15
5 month male range 18-22, average 21 female range 16-20, average 18
6 month male range 22-26, average 24 female range 20-22, average 21
7 month male range 26-28, average 27 female range 22-24, average 23
8 month male range 28-30, average 29 female range 24-26, average 25
9 month male range 29-32, average 31 female range 25-27, average 26
10 month male range 30-33, average 32 female range 26-28, average 27
11 month male range 30-34, average 33 female range 27-29, average 28
12 month male range 32-34, average 34 female range 27-29, average 28
18 month male range 32-36, average 36 female range 27-30, average 28
24 month male range 32-38, average 37 female range 28-30, average 29
36 month male range 36-40, average 38 female range 28-32, average 30
01-30-2014 09:07 PM
mydogs The meds from the vets work you may need to treat her twice Giardia is a pain to get rid of. Eukanuba is fine for her. Add a little bit of Greek plain yogurt to keep her gut in check. She will be fine. I put a TBLSP of yogurt in all my dogs food each meal.


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12-31-2013 08:58 AM
blackshep It does not work internally, I'm sorry. It can also damage the delicate lining of the gut.

Here's an article about why chemical dewormer is best, it's about horses, but the principle is the same for dogs.

You're better to do regular fecals and treat as necessary and pick up poop around the property to help avoid exposure. Keep in mind a healthy animal is not a good host for parasites, so it is unlikely to even need any dewormer to begin with. My horse is dewormed in the fall only for tapes (which don't show on fecals), otherwise, he's not even needed to be dewormed for the last three years. My dad's mare is a higher shedder. I have gone to more parasite management seminars than I can count.

http://www.equisearch.com/horses_car...mers-are-best/
12-31-2013 08:27 AM
diarmuid957 That's interesting research. If that's the case then I'm not sure how or why my pup's round worm infection cleared while taking DE. After several dogs on DE I have every reason to think (from experience taking it myself) that taking DE internally STILL makes it effective.

Of course you most be careful using DE externally. Still, I think the side effects outweigh those of conventional OTC flea/tick meds.

I want to clarify that the OP uses food grade DE. Wholistic Pet DE is $8 on doggiefood.com which is pretty affordable. One jar lasts me six months.

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12-31-2013 07:32 AM
blackshep
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Food grade Diatomeaceous Earth is an excellent natural de wormer. Girardia can come from a pup's mother's milk, consuming contaminated dirt, etc. You have to break the worms' reproductive cycle. How long has your pup been on this treatment? DE can clear worms from stool in 7 days, but it takes a full 30 to kill all the larvae...

By now I think you might want to take stock of the pup. Is she really skinny or does she have a balanced shape with a slight hourglass notch? If the latter, then check the food your pup is eating. You might want to consider adding supplements to her diet.

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DE does NOT work internally, sorry. It **must** be dry to work. My sister studied it post secondary. The way it works is causing microscopic abrasions to the waxy layer of the bugs exoskeleton, which causes them to dehydrate and die. Dehydration is not possible to occur in a 100% moist environment (gut). It may work as a topical flea treatment, however care must be taken as it is an eye, throat and lung irritant.

OP, giardia is fairly common, I had a horrible time with it. It likes cold/damp, so wash bedding, bowls, toys on hot cycle. I picked up a steam mop to sanitize my home as well.

Good luck, hope you get rid of it and never see it again. When my pup had it, she lost weight too, so hopefully once it's dealt with your pup will put weight on. Also, you don't know what the parents were, so you won't really have anything to compare to.
12-31-2013 12:52 AM
liferebooted Ty for all your help. I've thought about raw feeding but I don't think I can afford it. I'm 31 and I have a BS degree but I'm working for minimum wage since I haven't been able to find a job out of college expect as a cleaner at Kroger. Right now she is eating 1 cup 3 times a day of puppy large breed eurknuba since that is what the best store said the breader had her on, the store only had her for <24 hours before I got her. I really don't mind her being a smaller GSD as long as she is healthy. After having to put my blind diabetic dog to sleep 2 weeks ago I just want to make sure that all my dogs are as healthy as possible. My vet warned me about getting giardia myself, but it doesn't matter as I have Crohns disease so I have those symptoms and more myself daily anyways, lmao.
12-31-2013 12:44 AM
diarmuid957 No, I totally understand. The best cat I ever had was a barn kitty I adopted from a local shelter. I just happened to be there the day she came in as a 8 week kitten with the rest of her litter. She's a bona fide barn kitty and we love her to pieces : )


But back to your pup--as a word of caution though you might want to look into similar DE treatment for yourself if you have been in very close contact with this pup and/or its feces.

I think you may have a GSD that runs on the smaller side. Since you can't possibly know what's it's parents weighed the pup's final weight may be pure speculation at this point.


On the bright side you now have the chance to take charge of the pups health and possibly it's growth. Check the food your pup is eating. Is she perhaps allergic to grain? Getting too much protien can cause bad diarrhea in pups. Maybe she needs a balanced puppy formula like Fromm, which is ultimately what worked best for my pup, and I literally went through nearly every holistic pet food before finding that one.

You might want to consider adding supplements to her diet. Have you thought about raw feeding (even from premade providers)? Pups and dogs need nutrients from other things Not in dog food like organs, bones etc. Maybe you know this already, if so sorry in advance!


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12-31-2013 12:30 AM
liferebooted
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Food grade Diatomeaceous Earth is an excellent natural de wormer. Girardia can come from a pup's mother's milk, consuming contaminated dirt, etc. You have to break the worms' reproductive cycle. How long has your pup been on this treatment? DE can clear worms from stool in 7 days, but it takes a full 30 to kill all the larvae...

By now I think you might want to take stock of the pup. Is she really skinny or does she have a balanced shape with a slight hourglass notch? If the latter, then check the food your pup is eating. You might want to consider adding supplements to her diet.

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I've had her 6 days and she went to the vet today because I noticed the soft stools, she started medication today, they have me 10 days worth of pills. She didn't eat much at all the past 2 days but she pigged out and ate all 3 meals today and had her first pill. She doesn't look skinny at all, the vet said her weight is perfect but according to all these GSD weight lists I found online shes half the weight for a 3 month old.

I'm hoping these lists are just wrong. Besides the soft stools she's a great dog, I normally don't buy from pet stores, my other dogs are from rescues and the pound but I just happened to fall in love with her the moment I saw her at the store, they wouldn't even sell her to me that day because they just got her and made me come back the next day after they had a vet check her out. Which I find is weird since they said she was healthy, yet I use the same vet as they do and when I took her to the vet they said she has gardia but they charged the store for the medication and tests instead of me.

I know most people hate pet stores but I think of it this way, all dogs and cats deserve a home, the animals at the pet stores shouldn't be rejected just because we don't agree with where they came from or how they're being sold, I feel as if I saved he from this store =\ sorry if people disagree with me.
12-31-2013 12:17 AM
diarmuid957 Food grade Diatomeaceous Earth is an excellent natural de wormer. Girardia can come from a pup's mother's milk, consuming contaminated dirt, etc. You have to break the worms' reproductive cycle. How long has your pup been on this treatment? DE can clear worms from stool in 7 days, but it takes a full 30 to kill all the larvae...

By now I think you might want to take stock of the pup. Is she really skinny or does she have a balanced shape with a slight hourglass notch? If the latter, then check the food your pup is eating. You might want to consider adding supplements to her diet.

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12-31-2013 12:06 AM
my boy diesel well as you know, puppies that come from there originate
in puppy mills, so that could be why her health is tenuous,
leaving mom and siblings and traveling to petstore and
being sold there is tremendously stressful to puppies and
anything that's going to get them seems to.
Be glad she's not a parvo victim as that seems to run rampant
in pet store purchased puppies
keep up with vet visits and follow their directions
get her on a good food
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