|02-16-2014 02:30 AM|
|Chip18||Give yourself a break, Nobody expects you to be perfect, I'm certainly not! You got sandbagged it happens, glad you found some help! Doing it alone can be very hard and overwhelming and you can't "fix" everything at once. Baby steps and time is what it takes and you learn along the way.|
|02-15-2014 10:54 PM|
|02-15-2014 06:10 PM|
Thank you. I'm working with a trainer at the moment on handling her reactions at the initial greeting and at the same time organising to meet up with other like minded dog people to build on the work I've been doing.
Originally I wondered if I was pushing her too far and at the point I started this thread I definitely was.
With regards to her recall, the off lead dog was at her before I had a chance to call her, I have to give her length in the lead as part of the training and if I was a brilliant handler without fault I wouldn't have asked for advice. I am a determined and dedicated owner so with all my failings I will continue to work with her but there will always be slips and times when I doubt myself. Cheers for the support. I'll let you know how we get on.
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|02-15-2014 04:20 PM|
|02-15-2014 04:17 PM|
|02-15-2014 03:13 PM|
I give up. I'm not ungrateful of the critique or advice but I am getting very confused. I do acknowledge my weakness, I am well aware of it which is why I'm trying hard and working on my handling of my dog. I think I'll leave it at that. My dogs reactiveness is complex and our relationship is complex, it's all too difficult to explain and discuss on a forum.
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|02-15-2014 02:42 AM|
The two things you have that don't cost anything are time and patience!
OK lecture time! We can't help if you don't knowledge weakness. Few of us are perfect, I made big mistakes with my guys that sent me to the emergency ward when my guys got into fight(s). I chose to learn the hard way! I could have asked a question on the board..."Can I pry a 117 lb GSD's jaws apart with my fingers if the need arises? I found that the answer was ugh no!!!!!!!!!!!! Stitches required in my fingers! That's learning the hard way!
That said..you say your dog has good recall but...he proved you wrong under duress! You understand how to protect your dog but your job is to convince him! Heed the advise from Alwaysaworkingdog.
If you weren't in a dog park...and your dog did not come when called, you learned your long leash is to long shorten it up half the distance,you used, your training here not exercising.
Your dog didn't come and you had to scramble to try and protect him. Second the Spaniel, should have been more afraid of you then your dog!
Your dog was all over the place so it was difficult for you to handle the situation but as you say you want your dog behind you and you face the incoming dog. When your dog is under control you can shout commands stomp your feet or just pepper spray the little POS in the face! His well being is not your concern! Your dog is!
I give no quarter myself I don't go to dog parks, my guys are always under my control and I treat any dog coming at me as a threat that I need to deter not my dog!
I've been both skilled and lucky my guys have never been successfully harnessed or bitten by another dog. As soon as you step in front most dogs lose focus on your dog, These aren't going to be trained attack dogs coming at you there just A Holes!
Below is what you strive for,this was not a training exercise! I worked hard on my guy for years and this is what he did under fire, I was pretty PO'd when someone asked me point blank what would my dog do??? So I answered him!
And my wife was in the background with my Boxer and Struddell was holding station while this went down...she was a good baby girl!
Anyway you post what your doing and we can critique and help you get to your goals if you want the help. We are just as happy to say ..".JOB WELL DONE!" when you do good!
|02-15-2014 01:57 AM|
"I' was doing something it was a 10 year mistake!
If you can't do this or you can't follow what he's doing..then don't use it, first link.
The Good Dog Minute 11/26/12: How we teach a 90 pound pit to walk perfectly in one session! - YouTube
These are safer techniques you can't psychologically damage your dog.
And here is creepy guy as a anther member named him!
|02-14-2014 10:58 PM|
I have had three bad run ins with dogs that did not have proper recall. The first, ruined my dog, who was probably already quite weak nerved, a little dog was about 10 meters away and barked at him, this was when he was only a few months old, so very impressionable. This was in a field, that had previously been a dog park trial area that had since expired, I had no warning as the owner suddenly took is dog off-leash. My pup was only small and barked very aggressively back at the dog. He has been dog aggressive ever since. The other two instances almost resulted in the other dogs getting bit, I mean, his teeth are clattering from the force he is putting down whilst I struggle to keep these other dogs from getting bit whilst simultaneously shooing them and you'd be surprised how many dogs just don't get the picture.
Now when I look back at all of that, it would be easy to dismiss it as the fault of clueless owners with clueless dogs and that there was nothing I could have done to prevent these things from occurring. But I don't think that's a very productive way of looking at things. I could have avoided places where I knew dogs might be off leash, I could have been more aggressive when deterring these approaching dogs and I could have reacted as soon as I noticed any warning signs.
As an owner of a dog-reactive dog myself, I feel for you, but I do not see any need for my dog, or your dog, to have to interact with other strange dogs especially at dog parks. You have the power, you have to be aware that you can't control everything that happens when you walk out the door, but you can limit the potential for these instances to occur. You may just have to come to terms with the fact that your dog just wasn't made to interact with strange dogs, and that's perfectly ok. In fact it'll improve your engagement with your dog because she won't be so focused on other dogs. If you want to work a dog under distraction near a dog park, then pick one that's fenced. If you remove from your mindset, the notion that dog owners should force their dogs into situations where they will inevitably have to interact with other dogs i.e. dog parks, then managing your dog will become a lot easier.
I'll put some links below if you're interested. It's my opinion, based upon my experience and the philosophy of others in the field. Just one philosophy of many, not saying it's right for you, but I want my dog to engage with me and me alone, there isn't any part in that for strange unpredictable dogs.
Managing Your Dog
The Problem with Dog Parks
Leerburg | Dog Parks: Why They Are A Bad Idea
Leerburg | Leather Prong Collar Leash™
It's worth a look at least, for a slightly different perspective.
|02-14-2014 04:43 PM|
It's all getting a bit confusing. My dog has a great recall but was on a long line because of her reactiveness to other dogs and because we were doing training. It was the other dog who wouldn't go back to it's owner.
I know all about standing in front of her but in this instance I had a tangle of my dog panicking and me trying to get in front her while the cocker spaniel charged her and she alternated from 'get away from me' to 'I'll get you'. Total disaster.
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