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12-23-2013 04:02 PM
ladylaw203 Ironically I work at a school and just last week the local police brought in a drug sniffing dog to show the kids a demonstration about finding drugs. The officer hid a bad a marijuana, the dog kept running over to a different part of the gym. The officer literally pulled the dog over to where he hid the marijuana the dog completely ignored it.

I will admit I am probably a bit jaded by my experience.



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Well the first rule of demos is that the degree that a dog screws over its handler is in direct proportion to the importance and number of those watching That being said. Hard to armchair quarterback. Was the dog experienced and nationally certified? How long did the handler let it set out? A properly trained dog works odor to source regardless of air currents. We set up bizarre and realistic scenarios in maintenance training in odor to ensure that a dog will work to source ALWAYS or as close as physically possible. Hard to say what happened without being there
12-23-2013 02:35 PM
jocoyn Without being there it is hard to comment. If this is an inexperienced handler with an uncertified dog it could have been as simple as air currents moved the odor and it pooled near the bench. Buildings can be tricky that way. The dog may have been indicating on the strongest odor available to them but may not have been at source. Then they have to know how to work it out.

A long time ago, I had a demo failure with a live find dog and even explained how lofting had lifted odor from a hot wall and it moved into the woods and created a scent pool there with a void between the dog and the area where she got hung up, but the people viewing it were unimpressed and I learned to set up your demos for success. With experience, you know what is going on and can work through it as can the dog and those are great training and testing scenarios and bad demo scenarios.

One of my first certification tests involved the master trainer set the hide high on the sunny wall inside a metal warehouse building. Every last dog (discussion after all had tested) climbed up high on a piece of construction equipment in the middle of the room, then looked at us like ?????. The trainer said "what's your dog telling you" and I said "he's got odor but it's not here" and she said "well, work it out" and it took awhile but we did. It appears the scent moved up the wall, and the ceiling then dropped down when it hit the shady side of the ceiling on the other side of the peak. Right over the equipment.
12-23-2013 02:06 PM
Okin
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I'm actually more shocked that a police officer brought MARIJUANA into a school.

The dogs I've seen, train with substitute substances that smell and look just like the real thing (various drugs) and those are the things they use for demos. All the demos I've seen have been very successful and the dogs easily found the hidden substance.
Maybe it was I didn't see it up close, that is what he said it was. It could have been a decoy of some type. It is strange there was one place the dog woudln't leave alone I wonder if there was something suspect there that seemed more pressing to the dog?
12-23-2013 02:01 PM
martemchik
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I am curious why the K9 they brought for the demo couldn't find the marijauna he hid, and what was at the bench he kept running over to. Do you think they use dogs still in training for demos?
I'm actually more shocked that a police officer brought MARIJUANA into a school.

The dogs I've seen, train with substitute substances that smell and look just like the real thing (various drugs) and those are the things they use for demos. All the demos I've seen have been very successful and the dogs easily found the hidden substance.
12-23-2013 01:52 PM
Okin I am curious why the K9 they brought for the demo couldn't find the marijauna he hid, and what was at the bench he kept running over to. Do you think they use dogs still in training for demos?
12-23-2013 01:23 PM
Castlemaid
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Originally Posted by jocoyn View Post
Local issues with perceived misuse of a dog is no different than other concerns with possible police abuses and really should NOT be the topic of this dog forum as it is political in nature and should be managed in that arena.

Discussions on the reliability and training of detection dogs is a valid topic.
Let's all please keep this in mind if you wish to continue with the discussion.
12-23-2013 01:19 PM
crackem
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In the Air Force we were always advised when purchasing a new (used) car to bring it by the Cop Shop and have the handlers run a dog through the vehicle to eliminate surprises at the gate going through a search.

A couple of my friends bought cars where residue was found.
Kind of a funny story that's similar. To make a long story short, my brother's ex took one their cars when she moved out. A few months later, after her run with the felonious sex offender was over and he was in jail, my brother got the car back.

He called the police over to check the vehicle so he wouldn't be surprised one day because she had tested positive for meth and and other stuff when she was arrested and figured that stuff had been in the car at the very least and didn't know where they may have put stuff.

Needless to say they hit all over the car and they found meth, in addition to some other cool things and an assortment of rings, not all of them for your fingers

The best part was, under his lawyers advice he returned the collection of "rings" to her in court and told her and her lawyer she'd have to check with the police to see if there was any possibility of her getting her meth back
12-23-2013 01:02 PM
Blanketback My only experience with scent detection dogs was when I took the bus over the Can/US border. It saved tons of time - everyone piled their stuff in the middle of the room, the dog walked past it, and we reboarded the bus. IDK if it's still done this simply today, but it was very cool. Maybe not so cool if you're trying to get contraband across, lol?
12-23-2013 12:36 PM
MichaelE In the Air Force we were always advised when purchasing a new (used) car to bring it by the Cop Shop and have the handlers run a dog through the vehicle to eliminate surprises at the gate going through a search.

A couple of my friends bought cars where residue was found.
12-23-2013 12:31 PM
Okin
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Originally Posted by jocoyn View Post
Okin, the dog can be an excellent tool, with a documented level of reliability, used properly. The Supreme Court determines matters of Constitutionality and has said it is repeatedly and has put constraints around the use of such dogs.

Local issues with perceived misuse of a dog is no different than other concerns with possible police abuses and really should NOT be the topic of this dog forum as it is political in nature and should be managed in that arena.

Discussions on the reliability and training of detection dogs is a valid topic.
I apologize if what I posted was inappropriate. Those were the only two interactions with drug dogs I have personally had and thought they might be interesting to some people.
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