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12-22-2013 11:02 AM
Guardyan DeBruts in Oregon would be worth checking into.
12-22-2013 09:57 AM
wolfstraum
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Originally Posted by katieliz View Post
ohmygosh, the property that is now Olde Stonewall (golf course), was my family's...i spent every summer of my childhood (a very long time ago), there in Ellwood. My grandfather's property and kennel was on VanGorder Mill Road. Family lore has it that he was one of the "original thirteen" who was instrumental in bringing the breed to America.

to the OP, so sorry for the thread hijack. couldn't help myself, lol...
Have eaten at the restaurant there - Shakespeare's - many times....right around where my horse lives (Fombell) - such a small world!

Lee
12-22-2013 07:09 AM
jocoyn I do not know anything about ASL dogs but would be interested in your research on statistics or prevalence of HAS in different lines of dogs. I know there is genetic research ongoing for the disease.

A new thread on this would be very interesting I would think.
12-22-2013 02:34 AM
warpwr
American Show Line Breeder in California

Not too close to Southern California... Covy Tucker Hill German Shepherd Breeders - Home breed ASL shepherds in California.
12-22-2013 12:02 AM
katieliz ohmygosh, the property that is now Olde Stonewall (golf course), was my family's...i spent every summer of my childhood (a very long time ago), there in Ellwood. My grandfather's property and kennel was on VanGorder Mill Road. Family lore has it that he was one of the "original thirteen" who was instrumental in bringing the breed to America.

to the OP, so sorry for the thread hijack. couldn't help myself, lol...
12-21-2013 11:27 PM
Xeph
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ps...by any chance are you in the new castle that's right around the corner from ellwood city?
Indeed, I am.

Katie Liz, the Brownhill and Kysarah dogs I have found to be absolutely WONDERFUL. I do not know how much Emily breeds anymore, but I do know she and Frank have done many co breedings, and have had long lived animals. Frank de Bem (Kysarah) is putting out dogs with absolutely *STELLAR* temperaments. Super super sound.

His boy, Talka, is producing wonderfully, and I have heard of no big health issues as of yet. Super long lived animals as well.

Wesson is a Trouble great granddaughter. Trouble recently died at the age of 11, but he was close to pushing 12. I talked to Steve Roda (who takes care of the majority of the dog stuff), and he was very kind and forthcoming with me about health issues, things like missing teeth, etc.

There's a lot of longevity through Trouble in my experience thus far.
12-21-2013 10:46 PM
katieliz daphne and jackie, who is currently breeding healthy, sound asl shepherds and what bloodlines are they using?
12-21-2013 09:32 PM
Andaka I used to breed ASL dogs. My dogs were linebred on Ch. Kubistraum's Kane and Ch. Stuttgart's Sundance Kid. Sundance Kid (Bear) was inbred on Ch. Dopple-tay's Hawkeye. Bear lived to be 13. I have two sisters that are linebred on Bear that are 12. Both are OFA good hips and elbows.

It is not the linebreeding that creates problems, it is the dogs you choose to linebreed on.
12-21-2013 09:22 PM
katieliz jackie, i should have prefaced my comments with "it's been my experience that...". thank you also for the input on other lines, i can only speak with experience to american show lines, and i was specifically thinking of the marhaven dogs. perhaps i should have left the "somewhere" out of "there are always problems in some litters", just too wordy in that sentence, lolol...the potential for problems in a linebred litter is greater, and an inbred litter even greater yet, than an outcross breeding.

i really do think it's very difficult to find a healthy asl shepherd these days. back in the day (pre-lance), there was bloat and hd...now..

ps...by any chance are you in the new castle that's right around the corner from ellwood city?
12-21-2013 08:31 PM
Xeph
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Finding a healthy american show lines dog is difficult.
That's really not true.

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although they do linebreed and inbreed to solidify type for the conformation show ring
AmLines do not do this anymore or less than the other lines, though some of their breedings are much closer than I'd be comfortable with. But you'll find just as many working lines and WGSLs that are linebred, too

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there's always problems somewhere in some litters from that
I think what you mean is "There are always problems in some litters". Issues happen whether animals are linebred or outcrossed.
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