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12-16-2013 11:14 PM
Blitzkrieg1 Pups 6 months could be going through a fear period, or perhaps its a sharper dog.
My current pup has no issues meeting people out in public cities, parks etc but on our property is definitely more leery of them can huff and hackle a bit though if they want to meet her she will and accept affection. Only on our property, so go figure.
12-16-2013 09:54 PM
Freestep
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My concern isn't the mediocre prey , but the low thresholds for social situations.
That would be my concern too.

If, at 6 months of age, he is barking at people who enter his space, he's probably doing it out of fear and not confidence or "protectiveness". But it's entirely possible that he's had some defensive training, if this guy specializes in selling PP dogs.

How long have you had this pup? He may need a while to settle in and bond with you, and then you may see his drives come up.

I'd be interested in seeing the pedigree as well.
12-16-2013 07:51 PM
lhczth
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My concern isn't the mediocre prey, but the low thresholds for social situations.
Agree with Carmen.
12-16-2013 03:50 PM
carmspack Chip , I think the OP did sort of test him to the best of his understanding. It appears he is happy with ". At first glance, the dog seems great. He barks at strangers, protects his territory with high energy and appears to be bold" and further "It seems appealing at first because he seems like a serious dog. He isn't afraid of strangers because he goes forward and barks when strangers walk towards him or enter his general space.

I don't mind this aspect of his behavior because I think that's great for protection work"

I would be doubtful . I would not be happy with this . The OPs concern is about his low prey/play "What I'm concerned with is the fact that he doesn't seem excited about chasing a toy, biting the toy, and possessing the toy. "

This is the problem because people don't know . They commit before all the facts are in . Seriously I hope the dog does work out . I wonder what methods the seller has for training the dog "He promised to help me train this dog all the way through full protection dog, so he is very confident this dog can do the work" This might be relentless defensive work .

My concern isn't the mediocre prey , but the low thresholds for social situations.
Another thing needing to be cleared up is does protection work , protection dog mean schutzhund sport style or serious guardian type?
12-16-2013 02:05 PM
Chip Blasiole Since the dog was local, why didn't you test him before you bought him?
12-16-2013 01:27 PM
boomer11
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They told me something along the lines of, "we build his temperament for protection since he is small puppy."

It seems appealing at first because he seems like a serious dog. He isn't afraid of strangers because he goes forward and barks when strangers walk towards him or enter his general space.

I don't mind this aspect of his behavior because I think that's great for protection work. What I'm concerned with is the fact that he doesn't seem excited about chasing a toy, biting the toy, and possessing the toy.

Does anyone have any input on that? Do high drive dogs ever have scenarios where they don't want to bite or show low drive behavior? My gut is telling me NO. But hopefully someone more experienced can give me a more reliable answer.
to me randomly barking at strangers who walk towards him is a red flag and a sign of a not super confident dog. big difference between a serious and aloof dog and one that isnt so sure.

also not wanting to chase a toy or possess a toy is also a red flag imo. have you tried a flirt pole? teething hurts but a dog with good drive would still want chase down the toy. when my dog was teething he still wanted to bite the tug. he was still a monster with chasing a ball.

your dog could just be getting use to you but to me a confident dog should be able to play at anywhere and at any time. not just in its home where its familiar.

also they "build his temperment for protection"? what the heck does that mean? a dog is either born with the temperment or it isnt. you cant make a human who is a wuss suddenly brave. im sure its the same with dogs. they are either born with the right traits for personal protection work or they arent (and not many are).
12-16-2013 12:05 AM
Blitzkrieg1 It sounds questionable, if the dog has decent prey drive he should be willing to intensly chase the tug or ball and attempt to bite/posess it. Teething or not. You may get a chewy grip but if the fundementals are there he should be chasing that tug.
I would not risk waiting around for defensive drive to randomly kick in especially if he has nerve issues...but thats just me. Hope they will take him back if he doesnt work out.
12-15-2013 09:30 PM
Liesje Seems kinda red-flaggish they'd sell a puppy that age as a PPD. What do you mean the seller is "reputable"? You've purchased PPDs from them before or have seen their dogs working, or....? If you want a dog you can work out of the box, I would get an older green dog not a 6 month old puppy. This dog could be find but is really young. Build a bond first, give him time.
12-15-2013 09:15 AM
carmspack sure would be interested in looking at the pedigree
tell us more about the dog -- how is he in the big wide world
how does he react to people passing you or approaching ? there is where the big tell will be to the confidence , not the playing tug.
scammers hang around , they don't care - they scam one person, then wait for the next and the next ---
12-15-2013 09:08 AM
Baillif As was mentioned earlier quite a few of em "turn off" when teething. A scammer isn't going to typically stick around for the fall out.
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