|01-09-2014 07:57 AM|
|cliffson1||Very good thread, good info from Carmen, Lisa, Sue, Lee and others, refreshing!|
|01-04-2014 02:45 PM|
Hannes and many others identified with genetic tracking have Ilja aus dem schwarzen Zwinger (Hannes 2 times ) . I attribute this to Seigo Angerholz dams line!! (haus Himpel linebred).
Hannes is an excellent source to B litter Lierberg.
|01-04-2014 01:01 PM|
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|01-04-2014 10:19 AM|
|Liesje||Along those lines of Treue, I have a dog who is the opposite. He doesn't give a crap about chasing balls or toys, will not work for toy lures or the reward of playing with a toy, but if he *thinks* he sees a rabbit on the other side of the fence he will run and check that same spot for weeks every time he goes out in the yard. His desire to pursue actual prey is uninterpretable. For many years he had to be on a tie-out inside our fenced yard. Same dog also has little pack drive other than the fact that he can be a bit soft/overwhelmed by some things and seeks out me or my husband for security. Other than that, he's very independent. I have a tiny house and have no idea where he is right now. My GSDs are like up my butt and rolling around on my feet...|
|01-04-2014 09:51 AM|
Working people use the term 'hunt' drive to mean a dog that will work and work and work to find a target odor. Could be a hidden toy, drugs (to earn the reward), food, bad guy, lost child, etc. Prey drive is the desire to chase down and catch a moving object whether a squirrel, a ball, the rag, etc. Hunting, as in when a dog/wolf is looking for food, involves both. When a dog starts searching for mice during a track or while doing SAR work we call it crittering, but it is really hunting.
The female I had years ago, Treue, had stupid amounts of ball drive. She was the type that probably would have jumped off of a cliff after a ball. She had very little prey drive or the desire to actually chase real prey. I think her desire to chase a ball and any object I threw (including dandelions) was more what we might call play drive or the desire to play. She was also a very people oriented dog and extremely social. Her pack drive was very high.
Have I confused you now?
|01-04-2014 12:59 AM|
|Liesje||Sniffing around isn't necessarily drive to track. Sometimes that behavior is avoidance, or just a habit we call "crittering" (the dog is having more fun sniffing out other critters). One thing SchH tracking does is pair the drive with obedience and often some amount of pressure/conflict and THEN see if the dog can still execute some longer, difficult tracks. That would demonstrate the drive. Sniffing around can also be a lack of drive in other areas, avoidance behavior, etc. Tracking is my dog's best phase in both SchH and SDA (and his best trial scores in both) but he does not check out on me or use sniffing to blow me off in other areas, he also trains and titles in flyball, agility, the obedience and protection phases, dock diving....In fact I'm often surprised how well he does track and how much he enjoys it with little effort on my part (I don't particularly enjoy tracking and it's probably my least experienced area of dog sport/training). The other dog I mentioned earlier that had a good pedigree for tracking and showed even more natural ability also did rally obedience and agility competitively with no problems sniffing or getting distracted.|
|01-02-2014 10:38 PM|
A friend has a dog that has some of these lines in the pedigree and its obivous the pup is a natural at tracking, seems to use her nose everywhere.
The only problem is that the pup is so driven by scent that she is uninterested in anything else, its hard to even get her nose up off the ground.
The owner is getting frustrated as he has no interest in doing any tracking.
Is this normal?
Are these "tracking dogs" so specialized that they are only good for that one thing and not for anything else?
I could see how this is wonderful for someone who is solely doing SAR etc but for someone looking for a family companion not so ... my friend say he wishes his dog had less of this scent drive so they could have fun in other ways.
Isn't the GSD supposed to be the "do everything" dog?
p.s. whats the difference between "hunt" & "prey" drive? Dog sees a squirrel and takes off after it ... is that prey or hunt, or both?
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|12-22-2013 03:54 PM|
|Smithie86||Go ahead and email me.:-) We post breedings on site and on facebook, when confirmed.|
|12-22-2013 01:21 PM|
|Saxtonhill||Oh well...guess I killed another thread|
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