|10-31-2013 09:00 PM|
|OriginalWacky||I'm not the most experienced person around, but I'd dig a little deeper into medical if this were my dog. What all did the vet check for with the bloodwork? The next thing I would think about is a behaviourist rather than jumping straight into a neuter. While I think that spaying and neutering is generally a good thing which can occasionally help with some minor aggression, this doesn't sound like it from your description, and I also think that waiting until the dog is fully mature is best. Or, if you know you can be responsible enough to prevent any oops breedings, then consider not neutering at all. Again, I am not an expert at all, just well read, but I think you hit the nail on the head with "in pain that we are not seeing which is affecting his mood" and I'd probably push that angle the hardest.|
|10-29-2013 03:22 PM|
Alright, so vet called back and everything is normal with blood work and stool samples.
So he is either in pain that we are not seeing which is affecting his mood or he is just decided he's done sitting back and gonna try to flex his muscles?!
I was only noticing his attitude when he was really tired (morning,night) and he reiterated my theory last night. Left the house around 630 he was perfectly fine. Came home around 10pm. He seemed tired and started to give his attitude, not us but to my 7 month old pup. Basically gave him the warning to get away. He was fine with me, but had the almost scared look...head down, ears back but was Fine.
So I'm just gonna go back to the strict training mode again and re-evaluate from there.
Also have an appointment to neuter both dogs on Monday...just still up in the air on it. We'll see.
Thanks for the input everyone.
|10-28-2013 01:54 PM|
I'm wondering if there wasn't a change in your routine lately. Did you wife used to take him out or play with him and recently changed that routine? My dog will growl at me if I don't take him to work with me which is our normal routine. As soon as I get home he shows his attitude. It's not aggressive, just growling and avoiding me. After a number of tests, he did have some other issues which have since been taken care of but the fact I left him home and he didn't have a job to do seems to be the crux of the problem.
FWIW, mine is intact to and, in my limited experience, I sincerely doubt neutering would have any impact on this issue.
|10-28-2013 01:28 PM|
And my vet mentioned a behavioral specialist. The thing is since he was 1 year old he never ever steps out of line or even remotely changed behavior. Even at the vet and as I speak right now he is the perfect well behaved dog he always is. Until this little incident the past 2 days. And 99% of those days there was zero issues. It's interesting.
|10-28-2013 01:21 PM|
That's pretty good news about overall health, if the bloodwork doesn't show anything abnormal then it's probably behavioural. I would impliment heavy Nothing In Life Is Free (NILIF) to remind the dog that it earns priviledges like lying on the bed. The dog is only allowed on the bed when invited and any misbehavior like growling is immediately corrected and the dog is removed from the bed. To earn the priviledge of lying on the bed the dog must behave accordingly which means sharing
Good behaviours get rewarded while bad get either ignored or corrected. When it's black and white like that then dogs will naturally learn which behaviours get them to good rewards and will default to them.
|10-28-2013 01:14 PM|
Just came back from the vet...
As I expected...I love my vet, but he is a firm believer in neutering dogs. He gave a eval of the dog and I had them take blood work to see if they could find anything. I prob won't find out til tomorrow I'm guessing. Advised of situation and couldn't find any physical pain, his stool has been normal (I did bring a sample also)
Of course he suggested the neuter as I stated earlier. I'm not for or against it, it's just to me it's not a testosterone, testing, I'm alpha issue. He's not doing this while being commanded, it's while he is just laying Down. Even while he does this, he still listens perfect and completed his commands. He is not by any means trying to rebel or overpower us. And he is perfect with our pup, no aggression or dominance shown. He just seems off, like a quick episode of some sort...
I guess i just gotta wait and see how the bloodwork comes back, and if that normal I guess I'll try the neuter?!? Confused... He such and amazing obedient dog and has never ever been aggressive or anything to strangers, dogs, kids or anybody.
|10-28-2013 01:07 PM|
*As far as eating, he is fed around 630am and around 530pm. But he doesn't always eat his food, sometimes it site there and I'll hear him eating at midnight.
*as far as incidents, most have been on his bed with the exception of this am, he was on our bed (I called him up) he made a quick growl to my wife ( no teeth, no snap, closed mouth) 5 or 10 minutes later he was fine.
It almost seems as if he's really tired when he does it, before bed upon waking but still sleepy. Hard to pinpoint any reason.
|10-28-2013 11:37 AM|
He seems to only do this in the evening. How soon after he eats does he appear to be 'sad'? Do you only feed once a day? If you feed in the morning as well, does he have any interaction with y'all after his meal?
Saying his ears are 'down' makes me think of pain. If his behavior seems to be after a meal, I think this would be a very important detail to tell the vet.
|10-28-2013 11:35 AM|
Keep us posted. Good luck.
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|10-28-2013 10:43 AM|
|Galathiel||Both times was he on his bed? Could he be resource guarding it? Still, a vet visit is the place to start.|
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