|10-21-2013 08:34 PM|
Sunflowers, what should i do when she puts her mouth on me, if anything at all?
I am starting to do leash work with the prong, very slow letting her know that its her choice to let the pressure go away or not. (I like for the most part, tyler mutto dog training style with prong collar)
Yes, i think she is pushing her limits, which i was expecting, i just wasn't prepared for it i guess?
When she sits for me, i will praise her verbally and when i can massage her chest because she loves it! When she is in her prey drive or is super stressed uppity about something, she will not take a treat. I am however using, freeze dried liver treats and cut up pieces of natural balance rolls, hot dogs cut up.
That is true, i really did not think of that.. (Speaking of her hips, i asked my manager today if i could do payments for x-rays, she said i could and that since i work there it will cost me 1/3 of what it normally costs for x-rays. So i am setting up appointment as soon as i have a day off that they can take me in!)
Do you think i should allow her to put her mouth on me? In some ways i think its great, i also dont want it to lead to something else.. So i am confused as to what to do this with behavior.
That would be great if you could find it madlab.
I just read a quote the other day about how you dont make your dog human, but you become more dog or something, it was interesting.
And on that note, I have been doing more obedience with her since, and ALREADY i have noticed she seems to be barking at me less, she also has less attitude in general, and walks are more enjoyable with her.. This could all be coincidence, but i doubt it.. Who would have thought teaching her to go in between my legs and to bark were gonna help, This is just the start of it. I am going to get the broken crate and take the two pieces and do lots of fun things with them! She gets into toys, antlers, and she likes most treats- i am also bringing back my clicker with her. And adding firm "Zelda NO!", which she listened to when she grabbed her leash.
Thanks guys for your help, i have a long ways to go But i also believe everything happens for a reason, and Zelda is in my care for a reason, and i'm not going to give up on her or myself for that matter. Thanks guys!
|10-20-2013 08:00 PM|
Basically the dog is probably warning you by 'putting her mouth on you'.
What you need to do is gain leash control and confidence with this dog before you go on the pack walks. Pick the dog that she is least reactive or competitive with and walk these 2 together.
Sometimes it is really hard to control a pack of dogs together. You need to control all of them on there own and then start to bring them together. It is also easier if there is one person to each dog.
Then it can be easier to stop this competition and seeing who wants to lead. It an be a case of the dogs watching each other and not caring about the humans doing the walking.
You need to instill the calm submissiveness at home if you want to do pack walks successfully. Otherwise your setting off with the wrong energy and it turns into a battle with the dogs and generally they have plenty of energy to burn and it is great fun for them frustrating there owners and handlers.
It starts when you pick up the leash. If the dogs start getting excited your in for getting dragged around. I posted before on how to de motivate a dog/dogs before and during walks. Maybe i will find it and post it here or you can route it out. No time now.
Start researching and looking at it from the dogs perspective.
|10-20-2013 06:15 PM|
My girl gsd's have alwys been bossy dogs as well..However, if mine was acting like that, (with the group walk thing,,I'd have a prong collar on her and she'd get a correction..The two female gsd's I've had/have, were/are both TOUGH females..they can take a correction and 'get it', and move past it..like "oops ok, I'll knock that off lets go" type of attitude..
I will say, if I'm out with a group, of say 3/4 other dogs, you can bet my girl wants to be IN THE LEAD!,,probably that bossy attitude of hers, but that's the way she is, now if she's offleash with a couple of her doggie friends, doesn't matter, she hangs with them, they hang with her,,but on leash, she wants to be the big cheese leader.
Barking in their faces, is rude dog behavior (and I know you know this)..I wouldn't use a harness on her, unless she is on her good behavior..
She sounds like a toughie and pushing to see what she can get away with??
Let me ask you this,,(moving on to the sit thing when she's worked up),,when she does sit, do you reward her?? Or are you just wanting her to sit, and that's it??
I would reward her for that sit, (food/praise/toy whatever motivates her the most)..
I know you think she may have hip/issues, the running your hand down her back maybe she's anticipating you giving her a push on her butt, and it may be uncomfortable for her??? And if she DOES have a hip issue, sitting may 'hurt'..
I know when my first female had knee issues, that were becoming significant, she would not sit straight, or down straight, because of those issues, so she wasn't as quick to do it..so I would consider that,,and yes the mouthing may just be either from "pain" or she may just be a brat and doesn't want to do it
|10-20-2013 04:30 PM|
Many GSDs are bossy and like to keep order.
As for her putting her mouth on you, that's the dog's way of saying, "Knock it off."
|10-20-2013 04:09 PM|
Herding, dominance, testing me, putting her mouth on me?
Since you cannot see her behavior in person. I will try my best to describe it well! I apologize if i dont!
The four dogs:
Beagle: 7 years, in the middle will bark and growl at other dogs, but will not actually hurt any other dog and does not care for other dogs in general.
GSD/Golden mix: 2 years, dominant to other dogs, good with other dogs, resource guarder.
Aussie shepherd: 8 months, Very submissive to dogs and humans, loves other dogs and humans, only is reactive to people when jogging or running.
GSD: 11 months, very dominant to other dogs and tests her limits often with other humans, high prey drive, does not know how to communicate with other dogs well. (This is the dog i am asking of her behavior)
(All were on leash)
So the GSD and the GSD/golden have been on walks other and will sometimes go at each others necks for fun. The GSD tends to want to be with the GSD/golden at all times.
The GSD, GSD/Golden and the aussie shepherd went on a walk together the other day. The GSD did sharp barks in the other dogs face, eventually I was able to get her to walk alone side without any other barking and they did a good walk together.
Today, we took all FOUR together. The GSD behavior was: When the aussie and the beagle were in the front, the GSD would pull suuuper hard and do a very high pitch bark the whole time no matter what i did, when the aussie and beagle were in the back, the GSD would keep checking in with them and bark in the their face. Also wanted to be sure that the GSD/Golden was in the front with her and that the aussie and beagle were in the back. Even yards away this both behaviors would happen.
I tried calming her down, i tried correcting her, i tried keeping her at a heal, i tried redirecting her. She was very worked up.
At first i thought she was trying to be dominant to everyone, because of recent things that have been happening and to keep them in line?
However, near the end when everyone was "in place" to test out my theory, she stopped barking and walked perfectly on leash. Was she herding everyone in the place she thought they should be in?
Personally to me, both are rude things for her to do. And at that point, since i was unsure of what her behavior was, i tried my best to keep her from doing it and to keep her as calm as i could-while keeping myself centered so that i can reflect and figure out what i need to do next time for training. (She also wears a harness, perhaps she shouldn't anymore? Maybe this is making her more worked up some how?)
I really don't know a whole lot about this type of behavior, dominance or herding.
Which is a whole other thing..
When she is worked up and i ask her to sit, she wont. And so i reinforce it by simply putting my finger on her rump which will usually get her to sit, if not than i run my hand down her back and put slight pressure (its really nothing much). Lately, if i do this, she will put her mouth on me. She also will put her mouth on me if i put her in the "calm hug" that a trainer taught me to do when she gets worked up (basically its wher ei sit, she sits on me and i put one arm under her leg and the other arm around her head and i pet her. And it to me, feels different than a normal playful mouthiness, its different for sure.. Is this her testing me? Is this the warning mouthiness before a bite comes?
And if you have nothing nice to say, please don't say anything at all. I appreciate people who have helpful ideas, suggestions, thoughts as i have been getting lately and really appreciate it- i know im not a very good dog-mom, but thats why im trying to utilize things including this forums as there are some great people here with lots of experience with this breed. I want to be a good care taker. And I need help! Please feel free to also private message me, any help is appreciated.