|10-28-2013 01:05 PM|
|Smithie86||If you are close, Joel Monroe is the one I would recommend. If you can go to the USA Nationals this next week, members of his club will be there. His club is hosting the event.|
|10-28-2013 01:17 AM|
Just a little reinforcement for your choice or thoughts on Big Basin... Your assessment is correct, Gary and Peggy are great trainers... Before you worry about Schutzhund, train there for obedience and learn about their methods... I have a dog that I trained there and she is a great high drive working dog. There is also another trainer that has a great track record. His name is Greg and he owns creative kennels, his web site is www.kreativekennels.com You won't regret either choice... both will keep the sweet nature of your dogs and if you watch their dogs while training you will see that most are well trained lap dogs that don't bite until they are told to...
|10-17-2013 01:30 AM|
Is it possible that having seen your puppy, she feels that the temperament is such that the puppy should be trained with nothing aversive, because she seems to be pretty soft and biddible?
That might be a reason the advice would not necessarily be bad. Or, she can just be a positive trainer that is against schutzhund training in general.
It sounds like you have had your pup evaluated and you have a plan.
|10-17-2013 01:04 AM|
|gabyeddo||Even it's a rumor, it works on me. I don't even want to prove the rumor is true or not. I went to another club 30 mins away and watched them train for 2 weeks before I decided to take my pup there.|
|10-17-2013 01:00 AM|
What! Fire crackers into an ex-pen! That has to be a rumor. I cant believe anyone would be that stupid.
Most evaluate with a flirt pole. They are looking for drives as well as checking nerve (as much as you can on a puppy).
|10-17-2013 12:52 AM|
Well, I went to 2 clubs, one is big basin and another is about 30 mins away. I talked to the owners of big basin. He's really knowledgeable. He looked at my pup's pedigree and told me right away where my pup from,but I heard that used cruel method to evaluate pups like thrown lived fire crackers into ex-pen full of GSD pups and picked out one that weren't scared. I decided to go with one that far away. So far, the trainer and helpers just use the flirt pole with the pup. My pup is 4 months. They said she will start obedient training at 6 months. Right now, let her be a puppy and grow. They said she has a good drive and she want to fight. I'm not sure what's that really means. She's mix 50/50 SL&WL.
I posted this because the conversation is still stuck in my head. I'm still not sure at this point, but I still have time. I ordered couple books from amazon to study.
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|10-17-2013 12:18 AM|
I would go visit different clubs and see what you think. Also have your dog evaluated.
The CGC trainer seems to be confused to me. I did Mina's CGC in between schutzhund demo's at a big dog event. Did the first demo, walked next door to the AKC booth, did the CGC and back to the second demo. Just about every dog in my old schutzhund club has a CGC as well as most dogs in my SDA club. Good protection work will not change the dog.
The schutzhund club in Dixon is having a trial November 9-10th if you wanted to check them out. A few of us from my group will be there trialing as well.
|10-16-2013 11:54 PM|
|Nikitta||Don't know anything about this stuff. Listen to the experts posting here.|
|10-16-2013 11:41 PM|
|Blitzkrieg1||CGC trainer sounds like an idiot. Find one that actually knows what they are doing and has experience and acomplishments in the breed. Minimizing corrections is one thing, training exclusively with positive R is a line imo.|
|10-16-2013 10:27 PM|
Don't take any recommendations until you go and check out training. It's true, there is a lot of positive reinforcement training in Schutzhund. The movement actually started in Schutzhund before it really took hold in the AKC or other training rings.
The CGC trainer is a bit confused or misinformed but you really do need to make sure you train with the right people. For that...you need to visit a lot of clubs, watch their dogs work, watch them work with their dogs, and figure out what kind of training you're comfortable with. There are still plenty of people that put a lot of unnecessary pressure on their dogs and don't necessarily turn them into aggressive dogs, but they are clearly not happy to be doing the work.
What you really need to do is figure out if you're willing to make the commitment that is required to do Schutzhund training. More than likely you'll be driving quite a distance and giving up at least one day a weekend to train. At the same time...many clubs won't allow you to do protection work until you've demonstrated a high commitment to obedience and Schutzhund all together. Once you start protection work, it is not very easy to stop, and your dog does become a much greater liability. In the off-chance that your dog does actually bite someone, and it comes out that your dog is bite trained...you are in for a much deeper court battle than if your dog wasn't.
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