|10-18-2013 05:42 PM|
I just took a saliva sample to send for the big 20 antigen Nutriscan panel.
Will let you know the results and if it helps resolve the skin issues.
Ps-- there is also a shipping charge so it's close to $300
|10-18-2013 05:26 PM|
I use a Four Paws Muzzle. Size 3 for Emma. Works very well. Quick Fit Muzzle. She can pant and drink with it on.
As for the Diarrhea and itching she could have a food or environmental allergy, so I would add that to the check list under the muzzle. Vet just tested a dog and found out the dog was allergic to all types of grasses (lawns) and chicken.
The recipe from my vet that works very well to cure diarrhea is 80% brown rice, 10% cottage cheese, and 10% cooked chicken or turkey. Feed is small portions several times a day for a few days, then mix in with kibble for a few days. You can substitute cooked hamburger. % is by volume measure.
X rays next, but to help give human grade glucosimene/condrotin. I get the generic vanilla flavor that Emma will chew up. Huge difference for her.
I to am saving up for the THR operation, but at $6K a side it will take a while. Luckily she is doing very well.
Hope this helps
|10-15-2013 08:08 PM|
Are you sure she doesn't have fleas. It may be a reason for the scratching. They can be hard to see on black long haired dogs. Simply solution is neem oil. Very cheap and very good for hair and skin. Anti bacterial, anti fungal and anti viral.
Simply way to save money is stop going to vet.
|10-15-2013 07:39 PM|
|10-11-2013 11:16 PM|
NutriScan is novel and patented and is not testing for food allergies, but rather tests for food sensitivities and intolerance. These are different body immune responses. Food allergy is a more immediate reaction mediated by production of IgE and IgG antibodies. Food sensitivity and intolerance, by contrast, measures a more delayed body response to offending foods by measuring production of IgA and IgM antibodies primarily in mucosal secretions from the bowel.”
NutriScan is split into two test panels, so you can order one or both. I'd order both when and if you decide to do this.
Panel1: Beef, Corn, Wheat, Soy, Cow’s Milk, Lamb, Venison/Deer, Chicken, Turkey, White Fish.
Panel 2: Chicken Eggs, Barley, Millet, Oatmeal, Salmon, Rabbit, Rice, Quinoa, Potatoes, Peanuts/Peanut Butter.
$130 for one panel (10 antigens), $250 for two panels (20 antigens). Vet Allergy test cost about $500 for 20 antigens. Check this page for test differences: http://nutriscan.org/the-nutriscan-difference/nutriscan-vs-skin-patchskin-prick-testing.html
Q. How does this test differ from other food “allergy” tests on serum or feces ?
A. Food allergy tests measure antibodies to IgG and IgE in serum or feces. These are typically more acute allergic reactions to foods, whereas NutriScan measures IgA and IgM antibodies on the bowel’s mucosal surface, and thus more directly correlates to symptoms of bowel (GI tract) disease. http://nutriscan.org/the-nutriscan-difference/faqs.html
“NutriScan is a patented novel saliva test for canine food sensitivity and intolerance.” http://hemopet.org/
“This test measures antibodies to certain foods in dog saliva. High antibody levels indicate that the dog has a food sensitivity and intolerance to that food or foods.”
“Food intolerance or sensitivity is actually quite common whereas food allergy is rare. In fact, food intolerance is the third most common sensitivity condition in dogs and often can be easily remedied with a change in diet. For years, though, the difficulty lay in figuring out what foods were problematic – until now. Nutri-Scan is novel and patented and is not testing for food allergies, but rather tests for food sensitivities and intolerance. These are different body immune responses. Food allergy is a more immediate reaction mediated by production of IgE and IgG antibodies. Food sensitivity and intolerance, by contrast, measures a more delayed body response to offending foods by measuring production of IgA and IgM antibodies primarily in mucosal secretions from the bowel.” http://www.hemopet.org/nutriscan.html
“In contrast to food allergies, food sensitivity and intolerance is more common and can be a long term reaction.” http://nutriscan.org/the-nutriscan-difference.html
“For the first time in veterinary history, pets can be diagnosed and treated for food sensitivities on an individual basis. We consider the dog’s age, breed, and size in all of our diagnostic technology. Not all dogs are metabolically and genetically alike and our technology provides for individualized care.” http://nutriscan.org/images/stories/Press_Release_Nutrigenomics.pdf
Nutri-Scan vs Food Elimination Trials: http://nutriscan.org/the-nutriscan-difference/nutriscan-vs-food-elimination-trials.html
Site showing results from testing: http://fidoseofreality.com/does-the-nutriscan-kit-to-solve-dog-food-allergies-work/
I personally asked Dr. Dodds how her test was different from Immuneiq which appears to be cheaper and tests more items:
Per Dr. Dodds: “To my knowledge, it (Immuneiq) certainly has not been validated clinically or scientifically for food allergens. There is no other scientifically validated method of detecting food sensitivity and intolerance except for our patented Nutriscan test (now patented worldwide, and for dogs, cats & horses in USA; cats & horses pending overseas). “
Hope this helps!
|10-11-2013 10:44 PM|
Because I have went through/going through alot I of the same things as you.i thought id just tell you what I did.
I do agree muzzle is important. I shop amazon for my dogs items such as leashes etc.maybe others have budget conscious ideas.
With dexters allergies.... before paying for a test , I decided to go with a limited ingredient food and the type with less known allergy..buffalo. within 2 weeks I started noticing a difference so it may not take as long as 3 months . Then I added fish. Because I could buy salmon food at costco. .lol. he still did well. Yay that saved me money. No more itchy skin and buggers in the eyes. I stopped giving chicken.
Also I did the hip xray, and that confirmed hd. ( this could also rule out hd, which is probably the most important to know) .since pano will go away later. Both needing pain medication and meds to reduce inflammation.
I hope your puppy is doing better. Shes a beautiful girl
|10-11-2013 09:33 PM|
|readaboutdogs||I probably would get the muzzle first since you said you needed for vet visits! We just had a mesh one that they can pant and drink with, it was only like about $20. The X-rays I would ask if can be combined and what the vet thought most needed now to help with any health problems. Always seems like something comes up, tires, house repairs when there's "extra" money!|
|10-11-2013 09:14 PM|
Need help to decide priorities for Zelda are-with a low income..
So Zelda has been struggling with Diarrhea for a while (months), and so about a month ago I got her EPI test, and results came back, and one of the levels was low, but not super low. Enough for the explanation of diarrhea, However pretty much since that test she has had normal stools! (so apparently the levels when up! Yay!) Right before the test it went form diarrhea to soft sometimes normal. This is just awesome.. for both of us of course! And not to mention, i can give her a variety of treats instead of just beef liver and boiled chicken.
A recent thing that i have posted about is her being itchy, and it seems to be getting worse- like i said before to the point where she is chewing her fur off! Poor kiddo! So i been giving her Bendryl, not sure if its helping. And am looking into Hydroxyzine, just for now until i have her on a good diet. I also recently changed her food AGAIN, from TOTW to Royal Canin hypoallergenic, because i got it for free, and have seen it work well on a dog at the shelter who was almost completely hair loss and scaley itchy skin. However, i did some more research and i guess there is a test called nutriscan, (NutriScan vs. Skin Patch or Skin Prick Testing) which is something i would interested in, as Zelda does not care for this food, the only way for me to get her to eat it as of now is to add freeze dried beef liver power and i cant keep that up or it will ruin the diet change. I could buy the wet Royal canin hypoallergenic i dont know if i have the type of money for that, since usually you wait 3 months to see if it is really working for them. So i would LOVE to do the nutriscan test, because than i know what i need to feed her and not, and that it will work, instead of putting this money into not sure if the food is going to work anyways (A bag of this food is 70-90 normally!).
The other medical thing is, I've been wanting to do x-rays and believe i will have enough money by late November to do x-ray for either HD or pano, my Vet did not say anything about being to combine the two when i talked to him the other day. Not sure how that works anyways. I know how the HD works as i got an estimate on the cost for it. I would love to know if Zelda has moderate-severe HD or if its pano that makes her not be able to run without limping and have to lay down after running for 5 minutes, also on a long hike why she has to lay down.. Perhaps its both, i am hoping for pano though! I just want to know what im dealing with here. For weeks now, i havent been letting her run, because of what happens. I keep almost having money saved up, and than something will come up for instance the brakes on my car which cost me 360 to fix, etc.
And on top of that, I was hoping to buy her a muzzle she can pant through, because of her fear aggression, i want to have a good muzzle for her. Especially for at the vets. I have found one in which i think is going to be perfect, however its about $80-90.
The last thing is an e-collar. I have been looking into Lou Castle's training style with e-collar, and have been always in the wrong with that topic in my opinion, because i use to believe it was a horrible thing to use, that it really hurts your dog and that its not humane. And i use to think i would never use that on a child, however i would also not ever put a collar on my child and attach a leash and take it for a walk that way, or throw a ball and expect the child to run after it and bring it back in its mouth for a game of fetch, or for the child to go in a crate while i am working. So i guess i did a little soul searching while i was at it! After doing research i think its just about the right tool for me to use with Zelda with her cat drive. Because the other things my trainer told me to use and other helpful people form here told me to try, all failed, and this might too. But it is another tool I am willing to try as long as i know what i am doing i have no fear it will hurt her or make her worse than she already is and act more aggressively. Zelda is my baby-girl and i wont be using anything on her that i wont try on myself first. And that is just my opinion on the e-collar, and i respect other people's opinions as they are entitled to theirs. The cat thing in the house is pretty bad, it defiantly has made the whole family very upset with me. And i feel really bad. So this is an important thing as well.
So basically i am trying to figure out what are my priorities here.
1.) Nutriscan Test for her food allergies (unsure of cost!)
2.) X-ray for HD (I was estimated $250-500+OFA $30)
3.) X-ray for Pano (Unsure, probably around $250)
4.) Good, comfortable, quality and safe muzzle for vet and training ($90)
5.) E-collar for training, specifically for the prey drive for cats-to keep the family sane and the cats safe, as I have used up other options and believe in a humane way to use the E-collar (I want a safe and reliable one, that isnt going to die on me after weeks,etc. would love to get the dogtra1900 i think its about $200)
Thanks guys, and sorry its long!