|10-10-2013 09:33 AM|
Thank you all for the very informative explanation of the difference and the underlying designs. I guess you just don't know what you don't know till you ask a question and get the real deal answers. I have never had a collar slipper, so I never considered that when I asked. And that makes way more sense to me now. Thanks!!!
|10-10-2013 09:12 AM|
|Liesje||Collar Addict! Be careful they ARE addicting! She makes awesome collars. I used to use harnesses for flyball (both Nikon and Indy have them) but I've been switching to just using a collar.|
|10-10-2013 01:53 AM|
|DaniFani||Lies, where did you get that collar? I love it!|
|10-10-2013 12:42 AM|
A martingale is not really meant to be used as an aversive or "correction collar." It's an alternative to a flat buckle collar for dogs with thick necks who might pull out of a regular collar.
So the difference probably rests in the fact that the design concepts are not, in fact, similar at all.
|10-10-2013 12:14 AM|
when you train a dog to heel, loose leash walk, heel with or without
a leash does it matter what kind of collar you use? i use a flat collar
on my dogs untill they're 9 months old then i use a choker. when i use
the choker my dogs know how to heel, loose leash walk so there's no
pressure on the choker and if a serious pulling occurs you don't have to
restrain the dog by holding the leash . if the dog is pulling and you're holding
him back the choker can very tight. you can grab the choker with your hand
so it doesn't tighten.
|10-09-2013 11:58 PM|
|Chicagocanine||A martingale is not meant to choke a dog. It is meant to be snug enough when tightened that they can't back out of the collar, that's the point of the tightening. Good for dogs who can get out of regular collars or dogs whose necks and heads are similar in diameter.|
|10-09-2013 11:02 PM|
The main difference is that the martingale can only tighten so far. I use one on my small mix, Indy. She has a very thick next (part or mostly pit bull). Her collar was either fitted loose enough to be comfortable but could slip over her head, or it was tighter and stayed on her neck but rubbed into her neck. Now, she wears a custom made martingale all the time. I got it for flyball but I like how it looks so it's just her normal collar. It's loose enough that it doesn't rub her neck while she's just wearing it, but when a leash is attached or we're running flyball I can hold the loop and it will tighten enough to restrain her and she can't slip away. However, since it was custom made for her head and neck it can't tighten to the point of actually choking her. I needed a collar that was comfortable, safe, and could be used in many contexts. If I need a choke collar I can slip one of those on in addition.
|10-09-2013 08:54 PM|
I don't use choke collars anymore because that thin chain is more like a 'choke' , like using a piece of rope..Thats' why they call them choke collars
Martingales tend to be a wider type of material, some with a chain at one part of the collar, sometimes it's material..since it's wider, I don't feel they 'choke' as much if at all.
I get my martingales from the vendor here The Ultimate Leash, met him at a horse expo, love his collars.
Prongs are self correcting, that 'pinch', pinches, get the dogs attention quicker, so they stop in their tracks, no pulling.
Unless your 'hanging' the dog they are not going to stop breathing..A choke can cause trachea damage I believe. I would think it all has alot to do with the handler's training ability as well.
I have used all three, choke when I was doing competition obedience not because of the corrections, because it was a sleeker look at the time. Prongs I've used on dogs that I felt I needed it when training, and then phased out.
Martingales I use now on Masi, not for the 'choke' aspect, but because I like the collars and if I want to issue a correction I can, tho she walks really well on a leash and doesn't pull.
Just my opinions
|10-09-2013 08:39 PM|
What's the difference?
From a training aspect, what is the difference between a Martingale and a slip chai choker. Bot tend to cut off the dogs air when it is pulling against a leash or it's handler. Assuming that we remove any kind of a choke collar after the training session what is the difference in the outcomes of the two different styles of collar? A Martingale also tightens as the dog pulls and a properly fitted one will tighten sufficiently to stop the dog from breathing exactly the same as a slip chain choker. The choker does continue to tighten the harder a dog pulls, but all dogs will eventually stop pulling if they are having trouble breathing. That is the underlying design concept of both collars. Similarly a prong collar does not choke, but causes discomfort and convinces the dog to stop what they too are doing. So why the emphasis on a martingale over either of the other two options I mentioned. Thanks in advance for the enlightening answers I hope to get.