|09-16-2013 03:38 PM|
She actually does well in an outdoor kennel most of the time if she has another dog with her. Hype and I go for a 2 hour walk around the lake here everyday. I'm encouraging her to keep up by the end of it still! She also gets at least 20 minutes of off leash ball time per day, as well as time outside with our other dog on her line which she doesn't seem to mind.
I've already raised a ln anxiety ridden dog and don't want another. Hype is to a certain extent but she's better now that I split the dogs up. before, the dogs were starting to get a little too dependant on eAchother. I like to enjoy my dogs by themselves sometimes too!
I'm hesitant towards the kennel as we live in a more rural area and our backyard is the green space here. She has so much prey drive I don't trust she'll come back to me if she sees the cat or something. I'm doing everything I can to buy a home out here with a decent fenced yard.. My dogs deserve more off leash time than they get. I know I can get total focus playing ball with them and sometimes ill have them out with me doing yard work. There's that risk of neighbourhood dogs too - and there is lots of them!
I will purchase crate games and see what happens.
|09-15-2013 01:39 PM|
|Mary Beth||Just wanted to add, since you can't fence in your backyard, you may want to have an outdoor kennel with shelter (an igloo dog house would work) so that way she could have more room & get fresh air. That would also help when company comes like this weekend. Also you haven't mentioned how much exercise Hype is getting. A young dog like her needs a lot - walking, not always training or playtime - and if you can - an off leash place where she can run. Kennel time goes a lot easier on a tired out dog than one who is full of energy. You may want to update your signature - looking at it and not the title of your thread, it is easy to think that Hype is still 7 weeks old|
|09-14-2013 10:46 PM|
|Mary Beth||For the kennel, she is whining, because she wants to be with you. Try to reduce the kennel time as much as you can. The Monks of New Sketes in their book "How to be Your Dog's Best Friend" have an entire chapter on how to have your dog be with you. For the times she must be in her kennel, there are threads on Crate Games that may help keep her occupied. For other books, I recommend Turid Rugaas "Barking the Sound of a Language" and "On Talking Terms with Dogs: Calming Signals".|
|09-14-2013 01:43 PM|
Mary Beth -
"She holds it because she has better things to do.."
Perfect. Makes total sense that she does! It's up to me to put her out to potty if she's not the type of dog to yet tell me, not to mention she's still very young and immature.. sure some people's dogs are full off trained by now.. but there has to be a hidden benefit of having a slow maturing dog.
Wow. Spot on. THANK YOU! I have been searching for the answer you gave me for so long. I knew I was doing it wrong in a way that wasn't beneficial to her but I couldn't figure out how to correct it.
Now, for the kennel being by the door..
Our living room is by the sliding door which leads to her line in the unfenced back yard (we're not allowed to fence the yard - and because of the high drive I won't put her out off leash to potty, just for working or playing when she's actually focused.) Now when we have people over, like this weekend.. should I leave her kennel beside the door still? There's going to be excitement in the living room and I actually would be extremely bad if I put her up in the kennel in the place where all the excitement was happening for her to hear or see..
I already know she feels lonely in her kennel. How can I correct this? She whines.. she has this little high pitched squeaky whine when I put her in there or when she's lonely in there in the mornings or evenings. I'm not against the kennel - by all means, it's a lifesaver and I would like to see somebody with a high drive, energy dog without a kennel or 'place' for their dog.. but how much is too much for her? She's out from 8-10am, until 4:45pm, or whenever I leave for work (usually around there) and my spouse comes home at 5:30pm and lets her out until I get home from work at 10.
What about barking in the kennel in the morning? I immediately let her out to go potty because to me, this is her way of telling me "I REALLY NEED TO GO AND DON'T WANT TO IN HERE!" Usually only does it for peeing. She'll poop in her kennel because she's in a size too big.. yes, we need to get a 450 not a 550 for her.. I'm aware.
Hype is so much FUN to do obedience with. I stopped correcting her on the prong during obedience, light, fun obedience and if she messes up I lure her into the correct position with a treat instead. I like this better. I like bonding with her and making things fun for the both of us. Nobody wants to yank a dog around on a prong during puppy training.
I should take a video of us one day and send it to you so you can tell me how we're doing. We will be picking up a clicker today from the store and can't wait to get started. There is finally light at the end of the tunnel for my poor pup. She's very forgiving training wise and always has been. Actually, I believe that's why I picked her once my chosen puppy got sold. She was confidant, always happy and jumpy.. hence the name "Hype" and she wasn't overly aggressive.
I'm wondering if the work I did with her to work out the leash aggression has affected her and contributed to her being this way.
Are there any books you can recommend to better help us out? Currently reading the positive training book by the Monks of New Skete.
|09-13-2013 03:01 PM|
Kaity - I currently have a high drive, handler sensitive working dog. He'll be two in December. You HAVE to think out of the box. I've had many dogs - different breeds. He is by far the most difficult to train.
I never correct. I never holler. I never threaten him. I build his confidence. I build drive. I set him up to succeed. When we start something new, I do every thing in baby steps. Let each step soak in before I begin the next one.
His kennel is by the door. We play kennel games. When I want him to go to his kennel, I walk to his kennel and have a treat in my hand. I give the command to kennel...and wait. He used to race around the house (including over the furniture) The moment he goes into his kennel, I repeat "kennel" and I reward. I do not treat outside the kennel. I do not grab him. I do not nag him.
His kennel is by the door because I want him to go straight outside. Too many distractions between kennel and door if I place it anywhere else. And he can be distracted by the dust floating in a sun beam.
Now at 21 months - when I get out a treat he runs to his kennel and waits. When I say 'Kennel' he runs to his kennel and waits. When he comes into the house he goes straight to his kennel and waits. When it's time to go to bed he goes straight to his kennel and waits. He isn't waiting because he is a good boy, he is waiting because he wants a treat. He knows this behavior will get him one. That is the way his brain works.
In the morning, I don't speak to him, I dont' look at him, I don't acknowledge him. I open his kennel, take him by his collar and put him outside. Every single morning. Now, in the morning, I open his kennel and he goes straight to the door and waits for me to open it.
If you want her attention, whisper. Don't raise your voice. Whisper. Raising your voice raises her excitment level.
With a handler sensitive dog you need to be clear on what it is you want. You need to be consistant. You need to work on building confidence. Put her out in the morning the same time every time (give or take an hour). If she starts barking (and you are following the schedule) whisper "quiet". She's going to go "Uh?" and you reward because she stopped barking. If you raise your voice it'll only raise her excitement level.
BTW - this dog of mine, ROCKS. He is a working fool. Not because I'm a great trainer, I'm seriously not. But because I think outside of the box.
|09-13-2013 02:18 PM|
|Mary Beth||Kaity, your post of yesterday, really explains more her behavior. I have got a better picture now. Yes, since she is treat motivated, clicker training would probably be very successful. And I think you can use it for the potty issue. She really seems from what you said, not so much scared as excited and energetic. I think the potty training problem is that she is not the type of dog to go to the door when she needs to potty or when she is outside to stop her play to piddle. She holds it because she has better things to do, she thinks she can wait - and then can't wait no longer - so as you have mentioned - out it comes. I suggest you potty her on a schedule - I do the same and always have and I also use a word. I think that is where you could use the clicker and teach her the word - so she knows what is expected. Also make sure she has enough time to potty and go out there with her.|
|09-13-2013 01:47 AM|
|monim1||I think you need to trained her. You should spend time for her. I think she frightened and sensitive. So you need to handle her carefully. Don't give punishment.It could be harmful for her.|
|09-12-2013 03:13 PM|
I run into a few problems with all this advice:
First of all, no, her kennel is never used as punishment. When she goes to her kennel in the middle of the day it's either to eat or because I'd like a 'dog break' while I mop or something.
Now if she doesn't goto her kennel the first time I say it, yes, regardless of the situation - she will be escorted to her kennel. I'm not mean about it, I'm not yelling at her and I'm not mad at her but SIT MEANS SIT. I say go, you go. There has to be threat behind what I say to her in certain situations to make her believe I'm serious. Not just hey puppy! kennel! kennel! If I tried that the first time and you don't go because you're too busy looking at the cat - well, her loss. If I say 'crunchies' she runs to her kennel and waits. Heck, if I bring out a treat at any time during the day she runs to her kennel and waits for it in there. That being said, she has good association with her kennel being a good place and not a bad place.. I may try to move her kennel to our bedroom. This stops her high pitched demanding puppy bark in the morning of "I'M HERE, WAKE UP AND TEND TO ME. I'M BORED." A bark collar for this seems useless, it stops the problem but doesn't teach her anything. Possibility that she's lonely in there all by herself while the other dog is in the room with us. I really want her to be able to sleep outside of her kennel sometimes. She has zero respect for your personal space and really isn't aware of her size. This morning for example, the bedroom door was open, cat was sleeping with me and the boyfriend let her out to potty: the little beast comes running in my room jumping all over me nailing me in the head a million times. Not acceptable. But how can I train 'excitement' out of her like that?! To me, that's naturally how she is.
She used to be leash reactive and we successfully worked that out of her being confidant that the other dog wouldn't react, and using her prong collar. Done deal, the dog can take a correction.
When I personally think of a submissive dog, I think of one that pees over everything when you touch it or address it at all. Sometimes handlers are too much for their dogs. Hype isn't like this. It's the odd thing here and there, my dog isn't afraid of me on a daily basis like this. It really confuses me.
On the upside, she LOVES her ball. Ball over treats any day. The dog naturally loves to please you and is better off corrected without a prong collar for obedience training. A clicker can't hurt. I'll pick one up for her, I think we lost ours.. She's a joy to work outside with.
She doesn't take anything seriously, so I have to. And yes, she gets reminded of this or corrected but at 15 months? I'd expect her to get the point of not jumping on the door every time she sees me come home from work or somebody else. I get she's excited. But really? I feel like I've been doing puppy BASICS with her for the longest time and she just needs to grow up a little bit.
I've been doing puppy basics with her potty all the time. It doesn't progress. She will still just stand there and pee like nothing is going on. I feel like she recognizes she isn't supposed to do it inside. I usually just sigh in disapointment or ignore it all together as not to make a big deal out of it then take her outside. Back to the bells on the door I guess for this one..
|09-12-2013 12:22 AM|
I only meant crate near door to get her outside faster, thus less time to nervous pee in your house. Not fixing the problem but just damage control WHILE you are working on the problem.
Use the tastiest treats available and throw those in to encourage her to go in on her own. My 5mo will literally bounce across the house to his crate when I say kennel and pull out a salmon stick. Throw a bunch in so she can hunt for them for a bit so she will associate something fun/yummy in her crate. I suspect it will take a lot of time and patience though at her age.
I know my biggest concern with mine was him being confident. And gladly he has plenty of nerve. I would find a trainer that can help you build her confidence. My opinion is that the housetraining problem is a symptom of the weak nerve and may correct itself if you address the other. It may be that more "fun" games/play and less strict obedience would help her...
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|09-11-2013 11:05 PM|
|ten3zro||Sounds like you're using the crate as punishment, which is a recipe for bad results. Start over...|
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