|09-21-2013 02:44 AM|
As an update,
Yes it was a little of both, misuse of words in my question but also along the same lines as what cobra was talking about. The TD believes in developing both drives at the pace of the individual dog. My question though should have been re phrased into what it was the last time, where I wanted to develop confidence.
Anyway, with conitnued exaggerated play with the tug has lead to his confidence developing nicely.
On the field with the help it was a completly different story than the first time. Any doubts I had were quickly erased. Maybe it had more to do with him knowing what he was supposed to do this time. He barked and pulled and scared off the "bad guy". then In the prey drive vignette (i'll call it ) he chased the pad and was able to get some good grips. I don't think ive ever seen him as happy as he was when we ran off the field with the pad and carrying it to the truck after getting his last full grip.
|09-15-2013 07:02 PM|
|erfunhouse||I think it was just a misuse of words. When this was presented in our evaluation I was told "encourage him, praise him for going after the toy" and that "He's in a new environment, he doesn't know me (trainer) and he doesn't know that he CAN go after the toy, tell him he can!"...and sure enough Sabo was after it. I dont think it's "defensive drive" so much as testing the dogs innate drives--will he go after something in a new enviornment or is the basic stress of the "new" going to freak him out?|
|09-02-2013 05:58 PM|
Every dog develops mentaly at a different rate, period!
Breed, I've found, also plays a difference.
Both my English Cockers are field bred. Both were in the field and duck blind hunting and hunting well by six months.
By two years they were both hunting champions.
Different dogs being asked to different things I know.
And I agree that allowing your dog to develop mentally and emotionally first is a must when protection training is involved.
Obedience and confidence first.
Let your kid be a kid and a family member first.
Then only you can decide when they are ready to start and understand protection training.
Good luck and have fun!
|09-01-2013 09:44 PM|
We do play tug and I always let him "win".. But I now understand lwhat you were saying about acting it out more, I def could do that more. I remember seeing a leerburg video about "the correct way to play tug" but I can't find it.
I'll start adding those elements in your edit: to playing tug. Thanks again.
|09-01-2013 09:31 PM|
I try and build confidence in every way possible. Take your dog out onto a play ground and have it climb all over, through, up, down, swim through stuff. This builds confidence. Always make it successful. Even if you have to help the puppy at first. Do you play tug with your dog? When it starts to pull or shake, go with it. Through yourself around like the puppy is the one doing it. Tap into you inner actor and make it think it's the one doing it to you. All types of this type of stuff can help with confidence.
Edit- Also, when playing tug, have different sounds and objects around. Pick the puppy up, swing it around, "fall" on it. Getting it use to all different types of situations and body positions.
|09-01-2013 09:14 PM|
you're probably correct . I gues what i'm asking for is confidence building excerciese. I had no intentions on staging any scenarios that would directly refelect any defensive or pseudo defensive positions taken by the dog initiated myself or anyone else that isn't a profesional.
Socialization wise he's very confident. Will hop on or go under any agility equipment, go anywhere with me I ask. Great in public, other dogs etc.
So are there any confidence building excercises/ play that don't directly corelate with defensive drive but are also in a way to build that confidence foundation that would later be exhibited in sch scenarios.
|09-01-2013 08:42 PM|
|09-01-2013 08:41 PM|
|09-01-2013 08:34 PM|
It's not really something you can do yourself. It is a very bad idea to work your own dog in defense and if its play, then it's not defense.
My question to you would be, what do you mean by defense drive? I kinda get the feeling we might be talking about different things.
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|09-01-2013 08:29 PM|
Right, This was a confidence building excercise. The helper( who's been around for while) didn't use a whip and wasn't wearing the sleave, wasn't making any overt, loud noises and was kind of hopping around and acting suspicious etc. The TD had also said that they like to build both drives like gsdsar and cobra were explaining.. After that excercise we imdediatly switched to a prey drive excercise that the pup excelled in.
The pup has prey drive and we work on that intermittently through out the day and its integrated into his basic obediance and play with flirtpoles and rags and toys.
So if I could rephrase my initial question into: To those that support equal drive development, what are low (very low) ways to promote defensive drive during play?
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