|09-01-2013 10:49 PM|
|AeroGSD||Thanks for the reply, Reno. Glad to know that you dog is doing better on the raw. Do you need to give her enzymes on the raw?|
|09-01-2013 10:17 PM|
|Renofan2||I have an epi long coated gsd. She was diagnosed right before she turned 2. She had trouble digesting kibble even on the enzyme. Switched to raw and use tylan for her sibo. She does much better on the raw. Her stools on raw are similar to what you describe from your dog. I wouldn't be surprised if she has EPI and or sibo.|
|09-01-2013 08:19 PM|
|AeroGSD||Thanks for the reply, that makes a lot of sense. I actually haven't fed him any tripe yet because I am due for an order. He was also (supposedly) having good stools on the Kirkland kibble in the previous home too, he just wasn't eating much. They left food out all the time. The owners even told me that this was not the kind of dog that I was going to win over with food and treats because he's not really interested in eating. Well, I can say that's not the dog I have here, lol. Just looking at him, he looks ok because he has long hair so you can't really see that he's skinny. His coat is shiny, he runs and plays like crazy with my other dog, is interested in everything. My husband thinks that I am being a worry wart, but I think that I am legitimately concerned! I'll see what the vet thinks and will most likely do the EPI test to be certain that he does not have it. Thanks.|
|09-01-2013 03:27 AM|
Dogs don't produce a lot of the digestive enzymes that is required to process food. In nature, wolves get part of these enzymes from the gut of the animals they prey on. That's Amylase to break down starch, Protease to break down protein, and Lipase for fat.
With kibble, the heating and cooking destroys these enzymes. Dogs tend to have adapted to this, being able to adjust and produce sufficient enzymes to process their food.
Some dogs though, have a more severe deficiency of enzymes characterized by EPI. The lack of enzymes causes the body to not absorb and process the food completely, leaving it not absorbed and just excreted. You'll see your typical symptoms of wet poop and unthirftiness.
Maybe your dog does have a slight enzyme deficiency but given you're feeding raw, the food is still enzymatically alive (do you include the gut which is the concentration of these enzymes?). Therefore, helping your dog absorb food better, getting the nutrients prior to being pooped out.
But still have your dog checked if you theorize that EPI is present.
My dogs are fed on GO! Fit+Free Grain Free and we don't have a problem. It's not raw but I don't believe they have a deficiency in enzymes. Stools are good.
|09-01-2013 01:00 AM|
Does EPI Always Cause Runny Stools?
Hi, we just adopted a 2.5 year old GSD and he is quite skinny. He weighs about 70lbs and we estimate that he should weigh at least 80-85lbs, compared to my female but he has long hair so it's hard to gauge how much bigger he actually is. We can really feel his ribs and even his hips.
There was kind of a language barrier thing going on between his previous owner and I, but from what I understood, he went through many brands of food until he found one that did not make the dog vomit or have diarrhea. He said that the dog does not very much, and that is the reason why he is so skinny. Said that he had tests done at the vet, but nothing found. I will be calling the vet on Tuesday to see what tests where done, if any.
I also saw the dog's slip from when he was castrated, and he weighed 61lbs at the time. This was 11 monthes ago, so he was 1.5 years old at the time. I'm assuming that a 1.5 year old dog of his size was skinny at the time to be weighing in at 61lbs? So, at least he has not lost any weight in the last year.
I have had no problems with him eating here, but I feed raw. He has a very healthy appetite, though I would not say that he is ravenous. His poops are well formed and firm. Though, he did have a part with some beige with a slight tinge of yellow this morning. When I looked this up, EPI came up again, so I am really getting worried now.
All in all, he is active and not not seem to be in discomfort or pain. Are there different "grades" of EPI and some dogs are affected more or less? Do some dogs not get the runny poops but loose weight anyways? Or, has anyone ever experienced a dog with food intolerance that has become so peckish that it became so thin?
I am worried now and of course it's a long weekend, so vets are closed. Thanks for any info.