|09-06-2013 12:30 AM|
I have had 2 dogs from rescue, 2 from OK breeders (no health testing, titles etc) and one from a breeder with all the cheçks in the boxes. One of my rescues had some health issues, the one from a "reputable" breeder has several terrible health issues and an undesirable temperament. Maybe I just got lucky with the other 3. The puppy that I'm getting in two weeks (not a GSD) is coming from a breeder that doesn't health test or title but is super passionate about the breed and had produced MANY outstanding dogs. I get along with te breeder and like her goals and the type of dogs she produces. I honestly don't jnow how much I believe in health testing anymore....seems like a lot of the breeds that are regularly health tested and titled before breeding are some of the most unhealthy breeds out there and have the most issues. Maybe it's just my imagination. After the experience I've had I think my future dog purchases are going to be based on what I feel about the indivual dogs and breeder and not what kind of health testing and titles they have. Not saying that should be the way to do it, just what is going to work for me right now.
ETA only two of these dogs were GSDs. One from an OK breeder and one from a reputable breeder. The rescues were mixes and the other an Aussie.
|09-05-2013 11:10 PM|
Apologies for not getting back to you sooner on this question.
Yes, it seems I am contradicting myself with the two statements that you quoted (that I do not know how to re-quote in this response... lol). I guess I need to make a finer distinction between what I see as the original source of problems and the continuation of the problems. I don’t think BYBers were the source of the problems in the breed. But, it is certainly likely that they are unwittingly reproducing the problems now that they are so endemic in the breed.
But, if you remove truly responsible and ethical breeders from the equation (which I suspect represent a tiny percentage of all breeders), I am still not sure if the rest of the breeders (puppy mills excluded) are really any better or worse.
I do know that there are far too many GSDs being produced and sold each year. But, how do we change that without either regulating supply or diminishing demand?
As to rescue/shelter dogs, my experience seems to have been different than yours. The majority of GSDs or GSD mixes that I have fostered have been good dogs – no major temperament problems. Were they perfect representatives of the breed? No, probably not.*** But, they were good dogs/pets nonetheless. So, that is why I do advocate for people to consider adoption first! From the dogs I have had exposure to, they would meet the needs of the vast majority of people who come here looking for a GSD.
***There was one GSD that I fostered that was truly remarkable from a breed standpoint… I am not a breed expert, but when people talk about what a GSD should be, he seemed to have had it all. He was transported to Chicago from a high-kill shelter down South. He was ~2-3 years old when I fostered him. I really enjoy hearing all the updates from the woman who adopted him – it was a great match!
|08-31-2013 08:28 PM|
Around here, a lot of people breed working ranch dogs. I doubt they've had any health testing or xrays or anything, but these dogs are out working cattle or sheep all day, then go home and live with a family. Nobody bothers to spay/neuter so you have litters of Border Collies or Heelers or whatever coming off these ranches. I wouldn't be surprised if those dogs are healthier and live longer than dogs bred for generations to be top show dogs.
But as others pointed out, the reputable, ethical breeder will give you a lifetime of support with the dog. You have some assurance that, if something does go wrong, the breeder will be there for support, and you may have a guarantee of refund/replacement.
|08-31-2013 07:02 PM|
Don't forget to spay/neuter and don't do a repeat breeding
|08-31-2013 06:43 PM|
Training dogs will be a piece of cake compared to your new venture.
Well if your child's temperament doesn't turn out to well you can blame it on your husbands genetics or the way he was raised.
|08-31-2013 05:51 PM|
Re: the bolded parts - I agree.
|08-31-2013 05:33 PM|
Anyway I wanted to go back and touch on this point because I think performance sports have the potential to be an important corrective to some of the deleterious influences of the conformation ring. Obviously this isn't as simple as Sport Good, Show Bad -- there's still a risk of hyperspecialization and overuse of popular/winning dogs, just in a different direction -- but I do think that the breeds where there's not such a clear-cut division between conformation and performance, and the breed fanciers expect that a champion dog will also have advanced sport titles, are in better shape than the GSD.
...and, uh, I had something else I was going to say here, but I got distracted for 20 minutes and lost my train of thought, and anyway it's probably already encompassed in one of those threads about the importance of titles in breeding.
Short version is just that I think performance people buying purebreds is probably a net good thing for the breeds (albeit not without some downsides, because everything has downsides).
Of course, I'm a bigtime dog sport partisan and think it's a good thing for rescue dogs, too!
|08-31-2013 04:55 PM|
GSD # 1 - BYB, purchased at 12 wks, no health or major temperament issues *knock wood*
GSD #2 - BYB/Shelter, took into foster care at 1 yr (his breeder was forced to turn him in) and kept him. No temp or health issues *knock wood*
GSD #2 - puppy mill/rescue. Have her pedigree, nothing special. Bought by older couple who turned her into a rescue that I fostered her for and kept her. Was itchy as a pup requiring special food, still doesn't do well on a bunch of "high end" foods, some GI issues, fear aggressive. Hard to say if her issues are genetic or due to the extremely poor handling by her first owners.
7 years in GSD rescue as a foster and evaluator and most of the dogs I see do not have significant health or temperament issues. I can probably count them on one or at least both hands.
Would I buy from a BYB again? No. Would I get a rescue again? Possibly. My needs have changed for what I need in a dog. So, with that in mind and since I now have a child I would likely go to a well known, reputable breeder unless I came across a dog I really liked in rescue. But that's a ways off since 3 is my limit and they are all relatively young.
|08-31-2013 04:26 PM|
|08-31-2013 04:23 PM|
I plead the 5th on this comment. I will PM you.
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