|08-24-2013 06:58 PM|
|lhczth||It has been done before. It will change nothing and eventually they will go back to the placings.|
|08-23-2013 01:14 PM|
|Liesje||In a way, they are. You either get your 70-70-80 which is required to move on (or breed/breed survey) or you don't. Even the pass/fail stuff I've done is still scored (ATTS temperament tests, BH....). The BH is pass/fail but you still have to get 48(?) points to pass, and some clubs give out High BH awards. For me the issue is not the competition aspect but being able to separate that from what is really important when making *breeding* decisions. Why do we have to have a judge or someone else make a *breeding* decision for us? The way I evaluate my dog as far as competition and trialing is a lot different than how I evaluate him when an owner of a female inquires about breeding.|
|08-23-2013 12:50 PM|
|KristiM||I personally think that dog breeds in general would be far better off if every "breed test" was pass/fail. Yep it's looks like a GSD or nope it doesn't. Same for IPO, same for AKC/CKC. I think it would keep a lot of the specailiztion down in every breed. JMO.|
|08-23-2013 11:13 AM|
|Liesje||The thing that bugs me more than VA ratings and placements is that when you get returning dogs, the judges feel obligated to give them VA ratings. Then you have shows like our US Sieger Show where there will be TEN or more VA dogs but probably less than 40 dogs actually in the ring....|
|08-23-2013 09:57 AM|
|ayoitzrimz||I like it. When you compete against the standard you might get less extremes than when you compete against each other. But I have no personal stake in this competition so I might just be uninformed.|
|08-23-2013 09:34 AM|
gsdsar, yes I believe that is what they are doing, just giving them their ratings (VA, V, SG.....) and then exhibiting in catalog order.
I agree it seems dumb that at the premier national, nay world event there is no longer any competition or winner. Also sad that they have to resort to this to try to help/force? people to make better breeding decisions...
|08-23-2013 08:18 AM|
|cliffson1||It means 15 dogs are better than the rest in no particular order. So a breeder has to maybe do a little more homework to determine who to breed to instead of breeding to the Seiger and advertising that they got pups out of the Seiger regardless of whether the breeding is a good match or not.|
|08-22-2013 11:03 PM|
Ok, so feel stupid asking this question. But I don't understand. So, dogs will be shown and rated, but no "winner"? So if 60 dogs show: 20 get SG, 10 get G , 15 get V, then 15 get VA. Then what? Normally they would be rated, which one is best of the VA, then second and third and so on. Like a AKC show, best if breed, best if opposite, yadda yadda.
If they don't actually " rank " the dogs, who get Seiger or Siegeren? Isn't that the point? The be Seiger or Siegeren of the national show?
Help. I feel stupid? Seems like child team sports, no winner if the game. " everyone who played is a winner" mentality. No score kept. Everyone gets a chance at bat and a pat on the back for being " the best"
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|08-22-2013 10:54 PM|
Germany determines how many breedings a dog can have in a year.....most dogs come no where near the amount....I'm just curious if the Va-1 dogs which I know reach max(60) or close, are basically the same as the VA -12 dogs.....because I think part of the problem is the top say 4/5 VA dogs get a disproportionate of amount of breedings from other VA dogs thus further narrowing the genetics. Now if that is the case and they eliminate 1 to 12, then people can't make status decisions on studs as much, or at least it would be spread among 12 dogs.....of course if they all get about the same breedings whether it is max or two then this rule won't have much effect.
Also, if I'm not mistaken this is geared only at VA dogs at Seiger show, so it doesn't affect say a Bomber that may have max breedings but doesn't have the genetic saturation that has occurred in VA dogs....maybe I'm missing something here.
|08-22-2013 10:05 AM|
I believe they do tend to limit how many VAs are awarded to dogs of the same or similar lines, so that is a good thing.
I wish they would go back to focusing on temperament like they said they were, that would really shake up the placements.
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