|08-15-2013 05:51 PM|
|cliffson1||I agree with you entirely, the only thing I want to point out is its been more than once or twice, I have given a person advice to think about acquiring a pup because of genetics, and 6months to a year later they are sending me an email saying that they wished they had listened.....but I agree that it's never bad to talk to someone with experience with those lines.|
|08-15-2013 05:22 PM|
But that is quite different than someone else who does not know pedigrees like you do and who does not have the experience like you do, making recommendations based upon particular dogs or linebreedings on particular dogs without accounting for the entire pedigree. That is what I was getting at. That is also why I was sure to reference the entire pedigree and to note that I did not necessarily think that commentary about particular dogs who appear in my dog's pedigree was wrong because it was not in accord with my particular experience.
The one thing I edited out of my prior post was the suggestion that rather than trying to make recommendations about whether a dog will be too much based upon particular dogs in a pedigree, instead refer the person to a knowledgeable, experienced breeder who preferably has many generation of experience with their dogs. Such a person will be in a much better position to advise whether a dog will be "too much" based upon individual circumstances. Glad to see Ponyfarm has done so.
And Ponyfarm, I hope you do not take my posts the wrong way - I do not intend to be critical at all; only trying to be helpful.
|08-15-2013 02:26 PM|
|cliffson1||Nobody can say based on a pedigree exactly what a dog will be, partially because with eight pups in litter, some will take the phenotype of mother, some father, some one of the four grandparents, BUT you can be accurate enough a high percent of the time to guide people in the direction they want. I know I have helped a lot of people get dogs that they are happy with based on what they said they want and what I would expect from the genetics.....now this could be I'm incredibly lucky, but as long as people are happy with their dogs, it's all good. I don't disagree with premise by Jmdjack, but I think we can make very educated guesses based on genetics.|
|08-15-2013 11:06 AM|
Thanks for all the responses. Yes, other puppies in my dog's litter are "sportier", but Max is perfect for me! It is all complex and interesting.
My lack of knowledge is why I referred by puppy shopping friend to Lisa for advice! (and maybe a puppy!)
|08-15-2013 09:43 AM|
|08-15-2013 08:33 AM|
|cliffson1||I agree with Lisa that your pedigree probably produced others in the litter are much more sporty than you describe.....as for the second two pedigrees, they may not have sport nerve, but I word expect them to have working nerve. I know many excellent police dogs that do not have what sport people like in nerve, but they work their butts off in real world. These dogs have that kinda pedigree.|
|08-14-2013 10:44 PM|
Thanks LIsa, for taking the time to answer. Just when I feel like I am getting it, whew, I realize I am not. I will tell Max he is a sport dog!
I grew up with horses,and studying pedigrees, they are easier..they just have one offspring at a time! lol
|08-14-2013 05:55 PM|
I make the above statement with my own (limited) experience in mind. I have seen commentary by experienced folks about several of the lines/dogs in my dog's pedigree that do not hold true as to my dog. Does that mean the commentary is wrong? I don't think so; it means that there are a whole bunch of other dogs in the pedigree that bring different things to the table and influence who my dog is. Had I made my decisions based solely upon commentary about particular lines/dogs rather than put my trust in a knowledgeable and experienced breeder, I may have missed out on a dog that I and my family are extremely thankful to have.
Just a thought based upon the above quoted language.
|08-14-2013 05:05 PM|
Funny, looking at the pedigrees, IMO your dog has more of what people will call a "sporty" pedigree where as the other dogs do not.
What you describe in the other dogs comes across not as being "sporty", but dogs that have a weakness of nerve.
|08-14-2013 10:46 AM|
Please help me learn: Comparing two different breedings
I am asking for the experts to compare two pedigrees for me. Just to help me learn the differences.
The dog I have currently is really perfect for me! He gets compliments all the time. I consider him a nice all around dog, we dabble in everything. Folks ask me his breeding and then want me to help looking for one like him.
P Max Von Zahnderhaus
Now, the pedigree of two dogs that I have been around the offspring for review.I have watched two of the puppies grow up. Way too sporty for my taste. I am sure good for others. They are the type of dogs that would jump on a refrigerator if necessary to get a find! High drive and almost to the point of hectic. Not for the feint of heart.
male: VD, Nargo Helilein
female: SG Ema z Vyšného ?aju
So, my question is, am I seeing in the dogs what the pedigree experts would say is true to these lines? The first pedigree presented : stable, workman-like, slow to mature, human /dog friendly, pleasant, goofy.
Second pedigree listed: high drive, hectic, dog aggressive, social to humans, playful, quick to mature.
I would like to be able to at least tell my fellow active-companion dog owners what lines would be a bit too much for them, and what lines would be a good fit. Is my dog what normally comes from his lines, or is he an anomaly? Or the other breeding listed...are those lines typically higher, sport type?
Thanks, trying to learn something.