|08-10-2013 10:09 PM|
You can spot the difference visually between working and show lines because show lines are almost always black and red saddlebacks, while working lines are mostly sable. In working lines you will also see black, bicolor, and even a few black/tan saddlebacks. In show lines, you may see an occasional saddle-patterned sable, but showline dogs tend to have a cookie-cutter black and red appearance, while working lines have more variety in color, size, and conformation.
Temperament wise, you can ask a hundred people what the difference is between show and working lines, and you'll get a hundred different answers, but remember, form tends to follow function. Working lines tend to have more drive. That doesn't necessarily mean they are more hyper, or more aggressive, or whatever, but they have been bred to WORK and so that's what they want to do. Some showline dogs have plenty of drive as well, so I think it's more about selection of the individual dog that is most important.
Hope that makes sense.
|08-10-2013 09:51 PM|
So, protection training is not necessarily the same thing as natural protective behavior. The two can exist together, or independently of each other, or not at all.
If you're lucky, you'll never be in a situation to find out whether your dog is truly protective or not.
|08-10-2013 09:44 PM|
I should clarify ... I still have time to take care of a dog, to walk the dog and play with the dog, etc. A dog in our home is going to have a great life. What I don't have time to do is train with the local SAR group, compete in obedience or anything else. I don't need or want a top-notch competition dog, as that does NOT fit our current lifestyle. That's what I meant by "less time for doggy activities".
I still want a well-bred, good-looking, stable dog. Both of my past GSD's have been "protective" ... at least what I mean by that. I felt quite confident that when I was on a walk, their appearance and alertness would be a great deterrent. My last dog did put himself between me (and the kids) and a drunken person who lurched toward us; his demeanor and warning bark were very convincing. I do hope that the puppy we are going to get will be that way as well.
It seems like the GSDs I've known have been kind of aloof from strangers, until they are "cleared" by their owner as ok people? Does that ring true for most of you, or is that not true? I know that every dog is an individual, so there are no guarantees ...
|08-10-2013 09:27 PM|
with less time to devote to doggy activities is this a good time
to get a dog? what you want in a dog a show line or working line
can provide. when it comes to protection some GSD's are protective
some aren't. if i wanted a protective dog he would be trained in that manner.
|08-10-2013 09:18 PM|
|saragsd||Thanks, everyone! I just took a deep breath and sent in my deposit ... we can pick up our puppy in three weeks and I can't wait.|
|08-09-2013 08:39 PM|
I would rely on the breeder to tell you whether they have a puppy suitable for your lifestyle.
Be REALLY clear on what you want and don't want in a dog..Good breeders can usually 'peg' their puppies well, they are the ones that spend the most time with them, know them.
I have let breeders choose for me 3 times, and every single time those puppies turned out exactly like they said they would (and what I wanted)
|08-09-2013 12:31 PM|
So called West German Show lines have to have working titles to get a breed survey and so should all German Shepherd Dogs if you are going to adhere to the rules the founders of the breed put in place. Under this system working line dogs should also have show titles. The breed survey is supposed to weed out temperament problems but a good way to judge temperament is to have firsthand knowledge of the dogs in the pedigree or at least to see the parents and other dogs produced from that kennel. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree and if the parents are trying to rip the head off a stranger for no apparent reason expect the same from the pups when they grow up. If the breeder has put the titles on some of the dogs herself she has some idea what she is doing. It is very fashionable for someone to play breeder, someone who does not train and has no idea what goes on inside of a dog's head. A fearful dog to them is protective. The majority of GermanShepherd Dog breeders haven't a clue what they are doing, all lines included. One thing I like about West German Showline is they often have a higher threshold for aggression, you don't have to worry about them reacting to a threat that isn't there while at the same time having enough drive and intelligence to be a working dog.
I would caution anyone pushing DM testing to read the excellent work of Marjorie Zimmerman, she has done a lot of research into GSD DM and she puts forth very persuasive arguments challenging the veracity of the testing. The test is not for GSD DM. The science behind it is being challenged and research into the form of DM that afflicts GSDs is being conducted by scientists who know the answer has not been found.
|08-08-2013 10:41 PM|
|Mary Beth||I would be sure parents of the pup you are interested in, have good hip/elbow ratings, and the parentage is cleared for DM. Also I would want to know the temperament of the parents and if they are good with kids or if the breeder can give you references that the some of the dogs she breeds are good with kids - these references are sometimes on the website. I would also ask how she places her puppies and if she does any temperament testing. With small children, you may be want also to consider an adult gsd whether working or showline who you know is good with kids. Not all showline are good with children nor will they want to play fetch or will require less time than the working line- I should know - I have one|
|08-08-2013 10:19 PM|
Hi, I am a new member here ... been reading the boards for a couple of weeks and have gotten lots of good information. I have some questions and would love for someone really knowledgeable to help.
We lost our GSD suddenly a couple of weeks ago, and are looking for another puppy. The breeder I have used before doesn't have any litters coming soon, so I've looked some more. Here's my trouble:
I found a breeder, talked with her, and like what she has to say. I love the dam of the litter we are looking at, and I like the look of the stud dog and he has his Sch3 titles and all that. I'm so confused about show line vs. working line ... these are WGSL pups, but the dogs all have titles for Sch, or herding, and I think the breeder herself has put many of those titles on the dogs. I've had more working line pups from our other breeder, and they were great for that stage of our lives. But we have two small kids no w, and less time to devote to doggy activities. So a dog that wants to play fetch in the yard, go for walks, will be protective of the kids and family in the yard and home, and look like one really gorgeous German Shepherd ... that's what I want. Love the look of a big ol' boy with a wide head and the dignity of a GSD. Anyway, reassurance, anyone? Things I should be asking that I'm not? Advice?
My breeder is in Colorado ... if anyone wants to pm me with knowledge of breeders in the area, that would be great.