|08-15-2013 01:46 PM|
|carmspack||so it was the extreme focus , attention|
|08-14-2013 06:29 PM|
|Neko||Lol, I told you I have seen it before and it stopped! I wonder how many puppies experience this and it's just part of their development. Thanks so much for the update!|
|08-14-2013 06:07 PM|
|Catu||Thanks for the updates! I'm sure it will help many people thatmay come in the future to this thread.|
|08-14-2013 01:26 PM|
Thank you so much for update. Very interesting, glad the neurologist was able to see it, makes a big difference.
I think your questions were really good. It looks like Myra will be fine *phew*
It's always a relief just to know what's going on.
|08-14-2013 01:18 PM|
We saw the neurologist on Monday, and Myra had gone four (4) consecutive days without one of these episodes. But as soon as the neurologist walked into the room, she did it twice right in front of him. Very helpful in determining what was going on! He diagnosed her as having ‘focal seizures,’ which as he explained are caused by a small piece of a pathway in the brain that is either scarred (genetic anomaly, head trauma, etc.) or has simply not finished developing. This causes a misfire resulting in what was shown in the video. He said he sees this in many large breeds as puppies primarily because of their rapid growth rate. If, in fact, it is merely a piece that hasn't yet developed, she will reasonably outgrow it (he said this is by far the most likely scenario). He did not recommend any clinical tests because he said the cause of this type of seizure is VERY difficult to isolate. We proceeded with a question and answer session:
Is she in any pain/discomfort? Absolutely not. She does not even know it’s happening.
Will this get worse? Very unlikely. Focal seizures generally ‘are what they are’ as far as severity is concerned. Rarely do they get worse, unless there is something to compound the issue (such as a major injury). But if they are caused by an undeveloped pathway, we do see them disappear with growth.
Does she need medication? No. Focal seizures are very minor. It’s infrequent that they occur during activity, but if they did, and for instance the dog was working/playing, it wouldn't even pause its play (basically would just work right through it). The nature of a focal seizure necessitates that it is primarily observed when the brain starts to relax and/or when the dog gets tired.
Is this similar to epilepsy? No. If so, it would require medication because epileptic seizures, over time, start incorporating more and more of the brain tissue. That is not the case with focal seizures and is why they rarely worsen.
Are there any other health concerns linked or related to this issue that we need to look for/could this alter her behavior (aggression)? No.
Can we continue with training/classes as we normally would? Yes, please treat her like a normal dog. She feels like a normal dog and will respond the same as a normal dog would to all environments.
Are there foods and/or treats that will affect this condition positively or negatively? No.
So overall, very good news! I tried to cover all my bases during the appointment and he was extremely knowledgeable, I would highly recommend him to anyone with an issue similar to this. Dr. Steve Skinner in Beaverton, OR (Oregon Veterinary Specialty Hospital).
|08-09-2013 02:32 PM|
Dogs can get vertigo but it's almost always older dogs (unless it's caused by some sort of illness or a very bad inner ear infection which the vet would have caught) and it wouldn't come and go.
I'm glad that she is no longer doing this but do thing it's prudent to see the neurologist, just in case.
A chiro adjustment might resolve the back feet issue.
|08-09-2013 01:50 PM|
I kept watching it over and over with no sounds, was also wondering if there is a bug bite on the ears or tree sap, infection? Once when my pup was being funny with his head/ears is when i found a tick on his ear. He acted like that tick was 5 pounds attached to that ear.
Lets hope you get some good news, keep us posted please =)
|08-09-2013 01:39 PM|
Keep the neuro appointment. Bring this video with any other episodes you can catch.
No ear infections? Ears really been checked by the vet?
Can dogs get vertigo?
|08-09-2013 12:55 PM|
Thanks for all the feedback! We don't want to be over analyzing her behaviors, and we've had a lot of people tell us she'll probably grow out of it. The head bobbing itself probably wouldn't have concerned us as much if she hadn't actually fallen over three times. I've seen a puppy trip, but never tip over while it was sitting up. I think the majority of our concern stems from the vet being concerned.
The last two days, I haven't noticed her doing this 'head bobbing', for lack of a better term. She could definitely grow out of it, and we're hoping that is the case. She is growing very rapidly, 42 pounds at 18 weeks, so I'm crossing my fingers her body just needs to catch up with itself!
The vet mentioned when we were in for her second round of vaccines (around 2 months ago) that he was a little bit concerned that she may have decreased rear limb function because of how much she was wearing her hind (middle two) nails down. At that point he hinted that there could possibly be an underlying neurological issue, but at that young of an age it was hard to tell. Said what many of you have posted; could very well be a clumsy puppy that is disoriented and still learning how to manipulate her own body. He sent us home with instructions to watch her and try to determine whether she was dragging her back paws; I have noticed her doing this, but it's minor. However, the middle two nails are VERY short, which makes me think she may do it more than I can tell.
At her last vet appointment (Monday), when I showed him the video, he was concerned being that he had already noted a possible neuro problem; he said it was possible but unlikely to have two signs of neurological dysfunction that are completely unrelated and coincidental. So, off to the neurologist we go on Monday, just to be certain!
As I mentioned, the last two days have been head bob free, and she has been energetic and playful as ever. Hopefully the neurologist will send us away with a 'clumsy' puppy! I will keep updating and be sure to conclude the post with whatever information we receive. Thanks again for all the feedback!
|08-09-2013 12:16 PM|
|RocketDog||I should qualify my post by saying I agree with Catu--You know her better. We are not there to see her. If your gut is telling you that might be something to check out, then by all means keep an eye on it. Trust yourself.|
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