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|01-29-2013 02:43 PM|
Need to breed Service Dogs
Originally Posted by ladylaw203 View Post
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|01-27-2013 03:29 PM|
Originally Posted by ILGHAUS View Post
A service dog is (simplified definition here) one who is trained to do specific actions to help its owner. So, a psychiatric service dog doesn't necessarily have to be a PTSD dog, but it does need to have something it is trained to do, such as reminding its owner to take their medication, getting help if the owner becomes non-functional for a time, keeping people away from its owner in crowded areas, etc. A companion or support dog is one who doesn't have specific training like that, but whose very presence may help its owner deal with mental health problems like depression, anxiety, etc. The latter dog wouldn't be able to fly in cabin (unless the airline specifically allows it of course), but a service dog would.
I know you know that, ILGHAUS, but I figured I'd give some additional detail since I imagine a lot of people read this forum who might not read the service dog forum.
|01-26-2013 01:14 PM|
The flop ear of the Golden and Labs are much preferable
|01-26-2013 01:09 PM|
The retriever breeds are universally used for this endeavor as well as for scent detection by police and military. I have several as well as GSDS. So articulate if you will with regard to "cookie cutter" training
Also why do you feel retrievers are cheaper to train?
|01-25-2013 09:35 PM|
Originally Posted by msvette2u View Post
|01-19-2013 04:50 AM|
Originally Posted by Cheyanna View Post
That is not correct. A Psychiatric Service Dog is allowed to fly in cabin.
|01-17-2013 01:23 PM|
My point was that its a great goal...but I know people that work with service dog organizations that have their own breeding programs and they've told me that they do not place 100% of their dogs in working environments. These aren't GSDs but they are realistic and understand that they aren't going to get 10 dogs a litter with the temperaments they're looking for.
Even the best breeders in the world can't do this, have litter after litter of dogs that get placed into public service in some way. The military doesn't even get this kind of retention rate with their breeding program. So I just don't want the OP to be set in their way that they will not put any dogs in pet homes. I'm guessing its inevitable that some dogs will end up as pets.
|01-17-2013 01:15 PM|
Originally Posted by carmspack View Post
Also, psychiatric service dogs and guide dogs are kind of different, and some of those differences make GSDs overall somewhat less suitable IMO. One of the big ones is the protective aspect, as the OP's own quoted description noted. Psychiatric service dogs, especially ones for people with PTSD, may have to assist in keeping others away and "guarding" their owner during anxiety attacks--but it isn't really guarding, the dog can't be aggressive or dangerous to well-meaning but ignorant bystanders during this. Because of this, I've met some people who train psychiatric service dogs won't accept breeds known for guarding, including GSDs.
The other issue is one of physical and mental activity. Guide dogs tend to get a lot of exercise throughout the day. It's not necessarily high-energy work, but it's constant. A psychiatric service dog may have a very different life, especially one for a young child or for a veteran who may be suffering from physical injury as well as mental trauma. I've seen more than one psych dog placed with an owner who is confined to a hospital for months while going through physical rehab. The dog's job is mostly to chill out with the veteran and provide emotional support. Further, people suffering from severe mental illness may be largely confined to their homes even with a service dog, due to fear, anxiety, depression, etc. The dog helps with that, but it still may take time for the owner to gain enough confidence to have an active life outside the home.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think GSDs are unable to be psychiatric service dogs and I have even met one who was very good at his job. I also know that in any given litter, you're going to have a variety of different temperaments regardless of their breeding. I just think the OP needs to be realistic about the drawbacks of this particular breed for this particular job overall.
And this isn't a knock on GSDs either. My other favorite breed, ACDs, are also largely unsuitable as psychiatric service dogs because of this as well, and for largely the same reasons (guarding instinct, significant exercise requirements). My service dog is Scooter, my ACD/BC cross, who I trained for it while I was dealing with PTSD after a violent crime was committed against me. But, he's also a very unusual dog and not at all like most ACDs and mixes I know. So I'm not even saying that it's impossible to find suitable dogs from a breed that is generally unsuitable, but since the OP has some hurdles here, I think she needs to be really realistic and careful about the potential problems with her plan.
I also don't want to discourage her from pursuing it though. We need more support and awareness of psychiatric service dogs and I'll support anyone who wants to try to help. I just think she needs to be very cautious and probably spend more time learning about breeding before she jumps in headfirst.
|01-16-2013 09:45 PM|
You also should find someone who is experienced in training psychiatric service dogs, to help mentor you as well...
Also I am a member of a forum for service and therapy dogs and I've seen several conversations there that GSDs are not the best suited for this job, due to the reasons mentioned in this thread, and this was from trainers and handlers who are experienced with what psychiatric service dogs are required to do...
|01-16-2013 03:58 PM|
|carmspack||Erich Renner with his Bodo Lierberg did exactly that . Dogs became Seeing Eye Dogs , SAR dogs , and police dogs .|
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