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01-20-2013 10:30 PM
pancake I also asked this and because of their heavy marketing it seems this question comes up every now and then. I came to the conclusion (as many others did) that Sit means sit is very very bad news. What they do is not dog training but a simple video game like routine. Their philosophy is that you need the remote collar on them at all time. Well, if that's the case I guess I can just give my dog a shock for everything I don't want it to do. And the more it does it, the harder I shock it. Pretty easy.
I saw it and was impressed at what was done in 10 minutes but it was too good to be true. They have no regard for address development of superstitious behavior, conditioning, etc. It's mostly remote collar work done wrong.


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Originally Posted by onyx'girl View Post
I would go with Lou's instruction, if given the choice.
I would second this. Also, Michael Ellis' (at Leerburg) remote collar concepts are very similar if not the same to Lou's method. Low stims on leash for guidance that teaches the dog to turn pressure off by coming towards you. (For recall work). Using e-collars as a form of punishment for all activities is not recommended. They have their place and I think that the best place for e collars done correctly with low stim is the recall.
01-16-2013 04:41 PM
Nickyb Big money for not a whole lot. Save your money and invest in an advanced obedience class.
01-14-2013 07:02 PM
JeanKBBMMMAAN Some older threads to check out:
http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...means-sit.html
01-14-2013 06:58 PM
RowdyDogs Since your dog is more advanced (so doesn't fit in to the biggest criticisms I have heard/seen), can you sit in on a few classes, preferably at least one where they're working on issues like you want to fix in your dog? Any reputable trainer should allow potential clients to sit in on 1-3 classes to make sure the methods fit their needs. If they won't allow you to watch even one class, I'd personally take that as a huge red flag. Seeing the methods in action can give you a lot more information than online reviews can, especially for a franchise like this where individual quality may vary hugely.

Personally, I would still stay away because I feel that a method that incorporates an E-collar so early is not likely to attract people who train the way I want my dogs trained. But this is an area that is open to debate, so that's just my opinion.
01-14-2013 06:14 PM
Blitzkrieg1 Id do the research and do it on my own, E collar training is not rocket science. If the dog already knows the command and you just want to use it for proofing off leash the process is very simple. Just collar condition the dog start on leash and move to off leash control. I think with franchises you get the good and the bad, all trainers are not equal. Thats why the only people I truly trust are the TDs at my club and myself.
01-14-2013 06:04 PM
onyx'girl I would go with Lou's instruction, if given the choice.
01-14-2013 06:00 PM
GSDmac Behavior. Mainly in excited states when he tends to only listen with a change of tone. Nothing dramatic just improvements. Just weighing the risk/rewards of this program


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01-14-2013 05:59 PM
GSDmac Thanks for the input. Just looking to improve off leash


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01-14-2013 04:56 PM
onyx'girl I used the sit means sit methods in my ecollar training.
My instructor was familiar with the exercises and used them with success for her own and other clients dogs.
When it came time for me to start w/ ecollar, we used the same techniques.
We did not rush anything and it took a few months from beginning to end(proofing stage) for my dog to be trained on ecollar. But we used it for certain things, not behavioral modification, but directionals/send outs/recalls, etc. So it was just incorporated into my training program.
01-14-2013 04:50 PM
Gharrissc I've seen a demo and wasn't too impressed.
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