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04-07-2013 03:54 PM
Pirates Lair Most sport dogs (general rule) will not engage in a real fight. Hence the name Sport dog.

If you are concerned for your safety, find a qualified trainer in PP. You can have just as much fun with your dog in PP as you can with sports. There are now clubs starting to compete in real life PP work.

Kim
01-01-2013 09:22 PM
Tim Connell Gun wielding assailants probably should be dealt with with another force option, and not a K9, but that's another whole thread, I suppose, as is the question of targeting.

Some sport dogs will bite for real...and some may not, as someone stated earlier. I think it comes down to the individual dog, it's clarity of training, and what it has been exposed to. Arguably, there's a completely different skill set for the dog that goes into a "true" protection dog, or a police dog than merely some exposure to bitework for a sport.

(bite suit, hidden sleeve, muzzle work, scenario based realistic training, etc.)
01-01-2013 02:05 PM
RushGSD
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hi - is it sport and titles , or the protection when out jogging -
The dog will definitely be our jogging partner and I think generally speaking, the GSD presence is enough to dissuade ill intentioned muggers.

At this time, I do not think we would worry too much about titles. It would be more for the dog and us to do something stimulating together and its nice to see that no matter the discipline, it includes obedience, tracking, agility, etc.

But who knows, if we and the dog get a lot of satisfaction from training, we may decide to pursue some sort of certifications/titles.

It's right though, it seems like the most popular offering out there is Schutzhund and even then, it requires quite the drive to get out there as there aren't so many clubs.

Thanks for the input, folks.
01-01-2013 01:27 PM
Liesje OK I guess I'm not sure where this is going then....??
01-01-2013 01:26 PM
doggiedad again, i'm not questioning your training or the dogs bite.

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I thought I explained my training. You cannot realistically train a dog to discriminate weapons in every scenario, so I don't. I train my dogs to bite what is presented (usually in training a decoy will "present" an arm, drop a shoulder for the armpit, etc) or bite the armpit. It doesn't matter if there's one gun, two guns, no guns, someone playing juggle with guns.... I have never heard of someone training a dog to follow a gun, as in let go and switch sides because someone is playing hot potato with a gun. Anyway I'm not sure how this helps the OP. Maybe start a new thread on this and some LE will weigh in.
01-01-2013 01:00 PM
Liesje
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Originally Posted by doggiedad View Post
if the dog is on the right arm pit and the gun is in the right
hand why can't the person put the gun in his left hand
and fire it? i'm not questioning your training but your
training doesn't prevent a person from switching hands
with the gun.

I thought I explained my training. You cannot realistically train a dog to discriminate weapons in every scenario, so I don't. I train my dogs to bite what is presented (usually in training a decoy will "present" an arm, drop a shoulder for the armpit, etc) or bite the armpit. It doesn't matter if there's one gun, two guns, no guns, someone playing juggle with guns.... I have never heard of someone training a dog to follow a gun, as in let go and switch sides because someone is playing hot potato with a gun. Anyway I'm not sure how this helps the OP. Maybe start a new thread on this and some LE will weigh in.
01-01-2013 12:58 PM
Yoschi's_Pet_Human
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Originally Posted by doggiedad View Post
if the dog is on the right arm pit and the gun is in the right
hand why can't the person put the gun in his left hand
and fire it? i'm not questioning your training but your
training doesn't prevent a person from switching hands
with the gun.
I think that what was being eluded to was that if a GSD has a full bite on an armpit then the pain would/may prevent the perpetrator from doing anything to hurt the dog.
01-01-2013 12:51 PM
doggiedad if the dog is on the right arm pit and the gun is in the right
hand why can't the person put the gun in his left hand
and fire it? i'm not questioning your training but your
training doesn't prevent a person from switching hands
with the gun.

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Originally Posted by Liesje View Post
I don't understand the question? What I said explains how I train and as I said it doesn't matter where the gun is (or guns are).
01-01-2013 12:43 PM
Liesje I don't understand the question? What I said explains how I train and as I said it doesn't matter where the gun is (or guns are).
01-01-2013 12:13 PM
doggiedad what if they switch hands with the gun?

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Originally Posted by Liesje View Post
Look into SDA, though in SDA I train my dogs to bite whatever is presented and if nothing is presented they bite the armpit since they can target that from the front or the back. I do not train dogs to discriminate between which hand is carrying the weapon (sometimes they both have guns). The armpit is soft and fleshy and hurts like hooha, someone cannot fire a weapon from either arm with a GSD full grip on their armpit!
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