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01-02-2013 12:58 PM
Vinnie
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Originally Posted by Jax08 View Post
To add to Vinnie's post....I actually use a different cutting board all together for meat and vege's and there is one specifically for the animal's meat. 99% of what I feed is human grade but a small percentage is not, trim from wild game or trim from human grade meat. It's probably just me being paranoid but I prefer to use a different cutting board that is cleaned with salt and lemon juice after I'm done.
Funny you bring that up but this is what they teach in culinary schools. Always use one cutting board for the meats and a different one for the veggies.
01-02-2013 12:35 PM
msvette2u
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A RAW diet done poorly, IMO, is worse than the cheapest Ol Roy dog food.
This is a very good point. Personally, after having a dog develop elbow dysplasia, I'd never recommend feeding a large breed puppy raw and hope/pray it is getting the right amount of calcium.

IMO, it's safer to feed a good quality kibble, at least while the puppy is growing.
Even Ol 'Roy has to meet AAFCO standards for nutrition.

And there's a risk to everything, yes, but raw isn't the "best" thing out there. It depends on YOU and your dog, what the best thing for your pet is.
01-02-2013 12:30 PM
Jax08 To add to Vinnie's post....I actually use a different cutting board all together for meat and vege's and there is one specifically for the animal's meat. 99% of what I feed is human grade but a small percentage is not, trim from wild game or trim from human grade meat. It's probably just me being paranoid but I prefer to use a different cutting board that is cleaned with salt and lemon juice after I'm done.
01-02-2013 12:26 PM
Vinnie To the OP – I have been feeding my dogs a raw diet for a few years and haven’t gotten ill from it (nor have the others who live in my house). I think an important factor in this is that I do believe in basic sanitary measures. I wash my hands. I do wash the dishes after they eat because who wants to eat out of a dirty dish? Would you eat off the same plate you ate a previous dinner from without washing it? I clean the cutting board and wash the counter off after food preparation as I would when preparing my own meals. I also mop floors once a week. I would do these things even if I fed a dry kibble. IMO clean up is basic when doing any food prep.

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The problem with the anectodal advise that is given here is that it is very one-sided and any risk a raw meat diet poses is quickly dismissed. Just because people repeat something over and over doesn't make it true.

There is lots of information from reputable sources advising against feeding raw but it's never presented. People can make up their own minds about how/what to feed their dogs and the risk they are willing to take but should have both sides of the argument. And I for one, prefer to get my information from a reputable source and not a bunch of people that think "Yahoo" is a university.
I guess that's what you get in a 'B.A.R.F./Raw Feeding' forum? If it really bothers you, why be "one-sided" yourself?

There is also LOTS of information from reputable sources advising for feeding raw.

Dr. Ian Billinghurst, BVSc (veterinary surgeon since 1976), Dr. Tom Longsdale, DVM (since 1972), Monica Segal (certified in Animal Health Care), Dr. Francis M. Pottenger Jr. MD, Dr. Richard Pitcairn DVM, Lew Olson (AKC Judge and researching Canine Nutrition since the 1980s), Kymythy Schultze (Certified Animal Health Instructor, Clinical Nutritionist, Professional dog trainer, groomer, veterinary assistant, dog breeder and licensed wildlife rehabilitator) and a LONG list of other well educated professionals (more than I care to take the time to list) are where many raw feeders get their information and develop some of our beliefs.

I was first encouraged to feed my dogs a raw diet from a breeder (also schooled in pre-vet & animal husbandry) who has successfully fed her dogs this way for many years. She gave me the names of some of the people listed above as sources.

It’s not just from anecdotal advice from others or surfing the net that we've gained our knowledge.
01-02-2013 11:04 AM
Sunflowers
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And I for one, prefer to get my information from a reputable source
Please explain why "reputable sources" such as many veterinarians recommend Science Diet.
01-02-2013 10:50 AM
Jax08 Personally, I think there is a lot of fear mongering on both sides of the table.

There are risks involved regardless of how you feed. Salmonella in the kibble, poison in the China made treats, bacteria shed in the stool of RAW fed dogs.

A RAW diet done poorly, IMO, is worse than the cheapest Ol Roy dog food.

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. And I for one, prefer to get my information from a reputable source and not a bunch of people that think "Yahoo" is a university.
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And I can't even tell you how insulting and offensive ^^^ is. Do you really think we just looked on yahoo and tossed a slab of meat to our animals and called it good?

I know what a RAW diet, done properly, has done for my cat with IBD with not a single issue since he was switched to RAW, my 13 yr old Boxer who is the second oldest Boxer my very conventional vet practice has ever seen and the vet who contributed her longevity to dietary changes (RAW diet) that we made two years ago, and my German Shepherd.

I know how much research I've done and how many spreadsheets I have to track nutrients. And I didn't get that info from Yahoo University.
01-02-2013 09:37 AM
Heidigsd
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And just so people know there's a risk with kibble as well ...

CDC - Information for Pet Owners - Multistate Outbreak of Salmonella Infantis Infections
I think people are aware of this, it's not a big secret.

The problem with the anectodal advise that is given here is that it is very one-sided and any risk a raw meat diet poses is quickly dismissed. Just because people repeat something over and over doesn't make it true.

There is lots of information from reputable sources advising against feeding raw but it's never presented. People can make up their own minds about how/what to feed their dogs and the risk they are willing to take but should have both sides of the argument. And I for one, prefer to get my information from a reputable source and not a bunch of people that think "Yahoo" is a university.

Raw food diets in companion animals: A critical review

Raw diets: Do they make you want to BARF? (Proceedings) - Veterinary Healthcare

Raw Diets - Veterinary Community Blog post - Find it all here.
01-01-2013 10:44 PM
Lauri & The Gang
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Originally Posted by BowWowMeow View Post
Beat you to it, Lauri. Read my post above yours.
Ya got me.

I let my dogs lick me on (and sometimes IN) my mouth after they eat.

I sure don't do that after they've licked their rear ends! Or the cats' rears.
01-01-2013 10:42 PM
BowWowMeow
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Originally Posted by Lauri & The Gang View Post
And just so people know there's a risk with kibble as well ...

CDC - Information for Pet Owners - Multistate Outbreak of Salmonella Infantis Infections
Beat you to it, Lauri. Read my post above yours.
01-01-2013 10:41 PM
Lauri & The Gang And just so people know there's a risk with kibble as well ...

CDC - Information for Pet Owners - Multistate Outbreak of Salmonella Infantis Infections
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