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12-29-2012 02:58 PM
BlackthornGSD
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Originally Posted by gagsd View Post
Just me, but Falk is not a dog I would consider mixing with SLs.
What about Chuck?
12-29-2012 02:49 AM
gagsd Just me, but Falk is not a dog I would consider mixing with SLs.
12-29-2012 02:17 AM
Catu I raised a pup from a working/show line cross, Bagheera de Alsuvival, from 2 to 8 months old and I keep working with her weekly. NOT a dog I'd own, ever.
12-29-2012 12:10 AM
onyx'girl
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I would wait to assess a young dog until they are around 3...especially if the dog has DDR bloodlines. What you see at 1 yr 2 yrs isn't necessarily what you'll get at 3. Czech and DDR are not one in the same, and shouldn't be placed in the same 'group'
Kind of like saying Am SL & WG SL's are alike.
I really don't get the reason to blend DDR/WGSL's but I guess the proof will be told eventually, though waiting would be tough, especially if you want to repeat a breeding.
I should clarify...if the dog is showing unstable temperament, it won't get better with maturity....but a dog that may not show certain behaviors/ those may come out eventually with maturity. RE: prey drive/defense, or suspicion early on may change as the dog matures. But a dog without a solid nerve-base won't change when older.
12-29-2012 12:09 AM
jocoyn I had the misfortune of owning a show/working mix who got the worst from both lines.

I imagine the right person can do it and come up with the right results but I am not seeing anything that exists in the showlines (that I have seen/met) that would actually improve the working lines.

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I know Molly at Eichenluft does these combinations but I have only met one of her dogs who was a very nice 100% WL dog.
12-29-2012 12:03 AM
HarleyTheGSD
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Originally Posted by xsaysayx View Post
He is beautiful! I think that is a wonderful cross. He looks like he's going to turn out very nicely too.
Thank you very much!
12-28-2012 11:41 PM
onyx'girl I would wait to assess a young dog until they are around 3...especially if the dog has DDR bloodlines. What you see at 1 yr 2 yrs isn't necessarily what you'll get at 3. Czech and DDR are not one in the same, and shouldn't be placed in the same 'group'
Kind of like saying Am SL & WG SL's are alike.
I really don't get the reason to blend DDR/WGSL's but I guess the proof will be told eventually, though waiting would be tough, especially if you want to repeat a breeding.
12-28-2012 11:24 PM
xsaysayx
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Originally Posted by HarleyTheGSD View Post
Varick is DDR/German show line/Czech (1/2 DDR--Sire was pure DDR, Dam's Sire and Dam were 1/2 German Show). He has excellent drive and is very confident, and he can even be a sweetie. I love DDR, WGSL, and Czech so I am perfetly fine with his cross. As long as he has the temperament, that is.
I, personally, think that he is very pretty, and cannot wait to see what he will look like mature!

Varick at 17 weeks
He is beautiful! I think that is a wonderful cross. He looks like he's going to turn out very nicely too.
12-28-2012 11:22 PM
xsaysayx
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Originally Posted by 4TheDawgies View Post
I agree there is potential for them to look good.

The concern is that the phenotype on a Czech/DDR dog is quite different than an average sieger type west German showline.

Blending the two has a potential for some good from both sides. But sometimes adding the two together can just create a mish mash of bizarre looking dogs. It all depends on how the breeding is done, the bloodlines, the phenotypes of the dogs etc. So so so much goes into it (and this is only talking about the visual aspects).

That being said, are you saying you like the saddle back look? Or just the vibrant colors? I have seen plenty, and own some working line Czech/DDR/WGWL dogs that have some fantastic pigment and very deep reds to their coats.


I assume you probably like the dark mask, black muzzle, saddle back with red instead of tan coloration like this.

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This is that same showline male with one of my Czech/DDR/WGWL males. the photo was enhanced with instagram to make them pop more, but you can see that the sable males legs are the same hue of red as the showline males.



But anyways, like everyone else says. It really really depends
Yes, I do prefer the typical markings of a show line (saddleback, etc), but I am mostly referring to the pigmentation. If I own a sable dog, it if definitely going to be a deep red sable, not because I think it is any better than other, just different. Red is my favorite color on any animal.
I agree, sometimes they come out looking horribly gangly and oddly colored. I think if a lot of planning was put into it and instead of, after one breeding with less than perfect results, if someone were to continue working with them it could have some very beneficial results. Those dogs are very gorgeous, though my favorite look is the typical deep red and black saddleback. Just, I am with the working line people in agreeing that the show line breeders are NOT focusing on working ability or temperament enough at all. Most top show lines that are 'schh3' have barely passed the tests, or have faked it. Not to mention most of the top seiger dogs have absolutely no personality. Lol. I think working lines are SO much more fun but I just love the appearance of the sieger lines (minus the roach back) that I dream of a perfect combination :P
12-28-2012 11:08 PM
carmspack this is not a formula "
All I mean by the appearance is the black and red. I love it I don't like the show lines who have no schutzhund abilities, but there are a lot of lines that excel in sieger as well as work, though I agree not typically as well as a strict working line. I think that a dog with a very strong working instinct (for a sieger line), who also has great conformation, bred to a nicely built DDR or larger czech would make an excellent dog, but I suppose it depends. "
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