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|12-30-2012 11:34 PM|
Was she dumped by the breeder or by the person the breeder sold her to? Sometimes it isn't a matter of the breeder wouldn't take her back. Sometimes it is a matter of the owner didn't bother to take her or send her back or even contact the breeder.
Some people when they make the decision that the dog has to go, they divorce themselves from the dog. Once they decide they are no longer going to keep the dog, they do not care what happens to her. They will not drive 100 miles to get her back to someone who cares, when they can dump her at the shelter in the next town.
Someone somewhere did not care about your dog. It could have been her breeder. It could have just as well been someone she was sold to. The breeder may be faulted for selling her to someone like that, but breeders are only human, and sometimes, there is just no way to ensure a person is going to act 100% perfect in the future toward the dog. You can put things in place, like right to first refusal, but you have to know that the person dumped their dog. Breeders do not have a micro chip in the dog that sends and SOS to their computer when the dog's owners are thinking about dumping or selling the dog.
|12-30-2012 11:04 PM|
Originally Posted by Mary Beth View Post
West German show line. Big famous kennel (I have her papers) I got her after she was dumped in a high kill California shelter and brought into the rescue system. I can't tell you how many absolutely stunning German Shepherds I see posted from those shelters every day in my facebook feed.
Here is one I saw this morning. It broke my heart. They think he is a dwarf... Maybe from one of those test litters?
I'm not against breeding. We wouldn't have these beautiful wonderful animals without it, however treating dogs like a commodity, doing incest test litters, that kind of stuff doesn't sit right with me.
|12-30-2012 09:21 PM|
And as luck would have it, there is somebody who is already interested in my girl, even with her hip issues. She'd live in the lap of luxury, that's for sure. And she wouldn't be on the back burner never to come to the front again while I work my other animals.
|12-30-2012 08:21 PM|
I think that most breeders begin with one or two bitches, and they think they will keep them, keep all their girls for life. I had my Arwen until she passed naturally, and Jenna and Babsy aren't going anywhere, ever.
But I have no problem with people who keep bitches until age six and then alters and places them. That bitch can live for six or more years and have good years in their new home, being loved on by everyone. I think when some breeders sell a dog, cash changes hands, papers are signed, and the dog and new owners walk out of the life of the breeder. And unless there is some problem right away, that will be the end of it. For others, the breeder and new owners communicate.
In fact, I think that in some cases, you can get better information on how your dog lived from a new owner, who lives with the dog in a home with other people and maybe another dog. But not in a kennel situation. Most of our dogs are going to go to homes, not kennel situations. Perhaps a dog would thrive in that situation in their later years, better than being one of 12 or one of 20, or one of even more than that.
If you buy a puppy for a pet and you are thinking that down the line you might do fly ball or herding or agility with the puppy, and you find out your pup is unsuited to any of those things. You can get another puppy and do those things, and keep the first as a pet, and it really doesn't have to be a terrible hardship. It does not make sense for pet owners to have a pack of dogs.
People who work with their dog for a living, or people who show and/or breed dogs are probably better judges of whether it is better all around to keep a pup who washes out for any reason, or to find them a good home, where the reason they washed will not really matter at all.
A three year old bitch has a lot of pet years ahead of her. Her OFAs did not come back as breedworthy, and therefore, really, it is understandable why one would not want to show her either. Shows are really not to prove who's dog is prettiest. It is to prove a dog's conformation to the breed, and therefore whether the dog is breedworthy. Not all people who show are looking to breed, but a dog who isn't breedworthy for an invisible cause, be it health or temperament, they should not be shown. But that dog will make a great pet. Someone will be happy to have her and will love her.
It really is all about the individual dogs to breeders. There is absolutely nothing to cleaning poop and giving food and water to a dog. Ten is no harder than nine for the basic care. For the right home, it does not matter if the dog is 3 or 4 or 6 or 8, the breeder who is all about the individual dog will be the one who is open to rehoming a dog that isn't going to work out for them.
Keeping every pup womb to tomb clearly isn't what is best for the dog in every case.
|12-30-2012 07:19 PM|
I would also be very happy to have a retired breeding female. I think it would be an honor! Karlo's Grand Dam is in a wonderful home and we are lucky to get to see her every now and then~and you bet I take pics of her every chance I get!
Karlo's mom also was retired from breeding and went on to be a therapy dog for a girl with CP. Had she stayed with the breeder, her life would have been fine, but she didn't get along so well with the other breeding females so going to a home where she could be spoiled rotten and given one on one attention and doing a job every day is much better for her.
The breeder keeps in touch so knows every health issue that arises with Grand Dam and Dam. Just because the dog isn't living with the breeder doesn't mean the health history/longevity, etc is not going to be documented. But I guess that does depend on the placement and the breeder, of course.
|12-30-2012 06:46 PM|
|12-30-2012 06:18 PM|
Originally Posted by Whiteshepherds View Post
But there is a fundamental difference between a pet owner who got a dog and now wants to dump it because they "don't have time", and a breeder who is raising multiple dogs, training, working, trialing, and showing them, and sells puppies, places older dogs. Both love their dogs, but the breeder also loves the *breed*. They take a larger view than the average pet owner. In order to do good for the breed, the breeders' time should be devoted to making healthy, sound puppies, and raising/training the next generation. But at the same time, they cannot take on more dogs than they can comfortably handle.
So what you folks are saying is that a breeder should keep ALL their dogs until they die? Some do... but that would mean they could not breed for themselves very often, lest their numers get too high. The less GOOD breeders are breeding, the less of a positive impact they can make, and the more opportunity opens up for less-than-good breeders for the pet market... and then the whole breed suffers.
Personally, if it were the right dog, I'd jump at the chance to adopt a senior retired dog from a breeder! Well trained, well seasoned, WYSIWYG, no housebreaking, puppy stuff, etc... sounds like a great deal to me!
|12-30-2012 05:48 PM|
I can understand a breeder getting rid of a dog when it's younger but once they hit a certain age, especially 8, 9, 10 years old, it doesn't sit right with me either. It seems like a cruel thing to do to an older dog that's served someone well.
|12-30-2012 05:33 PM|
Originally Posted by Xeph View Post
|12-30-2012 05:13 PM|
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