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12-19-2012 02:11 PM
Lilie Will only having one testicle make him an 'unbalanced' dog?

Sorry....I tried, but couldn't stop myself.
12-19-2012 01:09 PM
msvette2u
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should be bred by any ethical breeder.
That's supposed to say "shouldn't"...
12-19-2012 12:49 PM
Liesje Anyone who thinks a missing testicle will prevent the dog from training and competing at a high level, just Google "Eric vom Sportpark"
12-19-2012 12:30 PM
msvette2u FTR, I say "pet quality" because in breeder's terms, the dog is sold either as "show quality" or "pet quality", meaning if a show quality dog, the dog is guaranteed to have two testicles.
Anything that would disqualify a dog from the show ring, will make it a "pet quality".

That doesn't say anything about the dog's working ability or personality/traits, etc., other than he's not going to win in a show ring.

The dog could be a stunning representation of a GSD in all aspects, but with the undescended testicle, should be bred by any ethical breeder.
12-19-2012 12:26 PM
phgsd Our herding trainer's beauceron is a monorchid. The dog is a fantastic dog - but his owner will never breed him, regardless of how great a herding dog he is. It is a genetic condition, not something that should be passed down to future generations.

Is he a "pet" in the terms of not working/competing? No - but if it's either pet or breeding quality - he is NOT breeding quality!
12-19-2012 12:19 PM
wyominggrandma I was just talking AKC shows. Have no clue about SV shows.
12-19-2012 12:14 PM
Liesje
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Originally Posted by wyominggrandma View Post
Any dog of any age entered in regular AKC conformation class for championship points MUST have two descended testicles in the scrotum. Puppy classes do not matter, nor does age, the puppy will be disqualified if he goes into the ring with only one testicle.
There is a new 4-6 puppy beginner puppy competition being held at some shows, but there are no points awarded towards Championships, so while they will not be disqualified, they do not get a chance towards points, it is for Certificates of Merit. Again, no points for Championships, so gives puppies ring experience.
If the OP wants to try SV shows he can probably get away with it for a few more months. SV shows start at 3 months of age and since very little is expected of a 3-6 month old puppy and no one is making breeding decisions at that age, judges will usually allow an undescended testicle and/or faulty bites (or won't even check the bite) at a club level show. The dog may not be given a rating b/c of the testicle but probably wouldn't be excused, so if the OP wanted to show their dog once or twice for fun it could be done.
12-19-2012 12:05 PM
sit,stay
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Originally Posted by x0emiroxy0x View Post

You're missing one ball but can still perform your work perfectly, yet you become a "pet" because your appearance isn't perfect.
Although I agree with you about how unseen genetic diseases are often left unchecked as long as physical appearance is okay, there is no getting around the fact that an undescended testicle (or "ball", as you so eloquently put it) is cause for disqualification from the conformation ring.

Now, neutering the dog in question and competing in a performance event (you know, actually proving that the dog can "perform your work perfectly") is pretty far from becoming a "pet", don't you think?

Conformation classes, those classes that look at how a dog is put together and how it moves, etc., are just that: classes that look at how a dog is "conformed". And part of that is making sure that all the parts are where they are supposed to be. Using cosmetic surgery to change how a dog is conformed is cheating.

Come on! Using the example of a physically faulty dog being correctly penalized as an excuse to "hate the showline side of german shepherds" is ridiculous.

I am not saying that to be mean or rude. But I do feel that sometimes enough is enough.
Sheilah
12-19-2012 12:00 PM
wyominggrandma Any dog of any age entered in regular AKC conformation class for championship points MUST have two descended testicles in the scrotum. Puppy classes do not matter, nor does age, the puppy will be disqualified if he goes into the ring with only one testicle.
There is a new 4-6 puppy beginner puppy competition being held at some shows, but there are no points awarded towards Championships, so while they will not be disqualified, they do not get a chance towards points, it is for Certificates of Merit. Again, no points for Championships, so gives puppies ring experience.
Any alteration to improve a dog including surgeries to "fix" something is illegal according to AKC rules.
Bringing a testicle down into the scrotum can be done, but the testicle is dead and won't rejunvinate its sperm. It would be a very prolonged invasive surgery, it would be abdominal surgery to find the testicle, try to stretch the cord or implant a ligament in its place to stretch it into the scrotum. The ring would be already closed, so that would also have to be cut and the testicle pulled through.
It would also be very very unethicalof ANY vet to do this so the dog could show. There are vets that do anything for money, however these vets are not exactly what I call ethical.
There is a shot that young puppies can be given before 12 weeks old, it is very painful and takes three or four shots to try it. I admit I did it one time for a puppy because he was going to be a spectacular show dog, that puppy cried and screamed during the 1cc shot in the muscle. I beat myself up about it, I had no idea it was so painful, just because I wanted him to be a show dog. He never got another shot, the testicle never did come down, he was neutered and became a very special pet.
Enjoy your dog
12-19-2012 12:00 PM
qbchottu Exactly! And if one is using THAT terribly biased documentary (aka yellow journalism) as evidence of their "extensive research" and using it to prove a very misguided point, I can't even.....
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