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|02-07-2013 11:10 AM|
I just recently started using a prong collar which was recommended by my trainer. My previous Shepherd was delightful, so a prong wasn't needed and barely used the choker that was on him. Gunner on the other hand is a handful. The prong makes corrections easier and I have noticed he is better now than he was before without the prong.
Since the prong is his "working/training/going out collar", it is in the closet and is only used for those things. I plan on slowly taking the prong away if he can learn to behave as years come.
|01-30-2013 04:20 PM|
Originally Posted by Questforfire View Post
|01-30-2013 04:05 PM|
|Fynn&Vandy||I didn't intend to use one at first and, had never used one before but, my puppy would walk with our other dog. I mean she thought they he was walking all of us rather than my boyfriend or I walking her. She would tug, pull, zig zag, lay down, anything she felt like doing. Im very lucky that after three or four days I didn't need it anymore. It quickly made her realize she is walking with me, anything else is no fun. I don't understand permanent use of them but, I guess all dogs are different.|
|01-30-2013 03:48 PM|
I've only seen 2 dogs wearing prong collars. Mine and a over-excited pit. lol.
I started using mine for walking on a leash and now I am using it to get Gus's reactive behavior under control. I have also put his prong on myself and it doesn't bother me. I've been instructed on how to properly use it and it's extremely effective.
|01-30-2013 03:36 PM|
Originally Posted by Questforfire View Post
I know this thread is ~2 months old, but I hope the OP is still on. This is kind of a SOAPBOX topic for me...
I am getting my 1st GSD in a few weeks, but I've bred, trained, & trialed Labs for 20+ years. Meaning: "I'm not exactly a novice".
My answer for why do I use a prong collar is because: it is
Compare this to choke collars - these work by pulling on the body and by constricting (to an infinitely small loop). It's possible to do real damage to a dog's trachea (in fact, some vet research indicates it's very hard to avoid doing at least some damage). I simply will never own a choke collar.
Effectiveness: for any correction to be effective, it has to be timed correctly. That means not only does it need to be unpleasant when you want the unpleasantness - but the correction needs to immediately stop when the dog is doing what you want it to do. A pinch/prong collar does just this. Again - try it on your forearm. When you release the tension, the pinch stops immediately.
Ease of use: with a choke collar, it takes some pretty good muscle/size to give an effective correction. With a pinch collar, the prongs do all the work. Quite literally - a child can control an adult dog with a prong collar.
|01-28-2013 07:48 AM|
|cliffson1||You do not tend to see prong collars used in the American show world....really isn't a need for them....I think the same applies in UK, in most cases.|
|01-28-2013 06:41 AM|
I never knew prong collars were the "US norm" in fact I didn't know about those collars until I got my first GSD.
Why do I use them? Hmmm let me think..Because I need my arm and my hand...and because they WORK Dogs don't pull if wearing a prong collar. It is a TEMPRORARY solution while training leash walking.
I also use it when going to new places where I know the dog will be too excited and will do a lot of pulling which I can't control.
|01-28-2013 05:44 AM|
|wink-_-wink||the quick answer.....because they work! Hero is dog reactive and not the social butterfly he was as a pup. He will bark at EVERYTHING and drag you down the road on a flat buckle collar (he knows what collar he has on and knows what he can get away with if he cant get pronged). Long story short, barking and loose leash walking works better with the prong for us. Eventually we won't need it but for now it is a tool in our toolbox to train him with|
|01-27-2013 06:29 PM|
Originally Posted by codmaster View Post
There are a lot of "problems" with any approach if the method is not matched with the right dog and/or being used correctly. The true definition of a "balanced" approach is being able to identify when, and what is appropriate for each individual dog AND handler.
* "Balanced" is not code for anything
* "Positive" training is a term to appeal to the masses. Most good "Positive" trainers are actually more of a "Balanced" trainer than a positive one, but when you talk to them, it is clear that they are just in denial
I suggest you get this book. It is written by Tammie Rogers a respected IACP Professional member.
Dog Algebra: When Positive Reinforcement Fails To Solve The Problem
|01-27-2013 05:29 PM|
Originally Posted by dioworld View Post
Very true with some trainers - some will also tell you "use a HIGHER VALUE" reward.
And I have likewise found that sometimes when the dog is over the top with excitement, NO reward other than the object of their excitement will get and keep their attention! And if you tell such a trainer that, then the line is to "take him/her away from the object" and, yes, it can be VERY difficult to do that sometimes. Another catch phrase one will hear a lot is "Get them below THRESHHOLD" i.e. remove them from the distraction far enough so they are not affected by it.
In initial training, this is a good idea but eventually we need to proof the dog behavior in real situations where it can be impossible to be able to do this all the time.
Nothing wrong with using a prong to "get their attention" back to where it should be (YOU!)
Sounds like you are haveing much success with your dog. Congrats!
Be sure also to wean him off of the prong to a regular collar as you are able to. Ask your trainer about this when you can.
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