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|01-23-2013 06:48 AM|
|cliffson1||@mrsK....I think you misunderstood my post about the corellation to politics....I meant that SCH is like politics in that years ago politics was a part time function for individuals, that they performed to assist society. In the past SCH was something a dog acquired in a journey to do many other function and many other types of training. Today ....politics is a full time lifelong vocation for too many politicians and money controls their vote and actions. Well in SCH, it is now a lifelong vocation(as is showing), that is all the breeder focuses on and the dogs do for their life....and it too is primarily motivated by money and points. Many lifelong SCH dogs that are heavily campaigned and bred are never exposed to anything but the SCH field. We have turned a quarter horse into a racehorse....and many consider these people the only experts in the breed whether it is sport or show. Just an observation, nothing more|
|01-22-2013 10:14 PM|
|Mrs.K||It is a good enough translation to give a general idea what the Initiative group is all about. I'm a member of the Initiative myself to support their effort in fighting fraud within the SV.|
|01-22-2013 07:19 PM|
copying the link translation. Mrs K. is this translation correct? I copied it here in case it somehow dissappears magically as we know controversial internet postings do!
Reaction of the Initiative Group-SV
Monday, 21 January 2013 at 06:37 clock
We received a letter from lawyers has become known in which, initiated by Hartmut Setecki and Nicholas Waltrich, on the initiative group-SV, a value judgment is that we can not relate. Since each member of our group here is affected, yesterday we sent subsequent letters to the President, Dr. Henke, Vice President Mr. Nicholas Waltrich and the Chief Executive Hartmut Setecki. We hope to receive a timely response here.
We refer to the accessible for each letter of the RA firm Lausen on behalf of SV eV and Messrs Waltrich and Setecki personally, which deals in content and in particular for the assessment of the membership of the Initiative Group-SV.
Membership in the Initiative Group-SV can obviously evaluate each person and judge for yourself. With real dismay, we have to remove the members of the initiative group-SV This letter, however, that membership in our group as something "ehrverletzendes" and thus as the reputation of a person which harm circumstance is evaluated. Particularly inappropriate, we find the fact that the initiators letter from the Chief Executive of the SV Association and vice president of the SV eV, Messrs. Hartmut Setecki and Nicholas Waltrich are.
The objective of the initiative group-SV is on our website Initiativgruppe SV clearly defined, namely consistently fight fraud in the SV and conclude with applications gaps in the Statute of the SV, have made the fraud possible. This means we are committed openly and actively encouraged by what Mr. Setecki is paid by us and the other SV members and Mr. Waltrich and the whole board elected were: to improve by the fraud and its fatal effects damaged image of our society, create conditions that give the scam chance.
This initiative have already joined over 260 SV-members, among whom, and currently more than 130 officers from the SV almost 30 SV-judges.
Our President, Dr. Henke, in his speech at the National Breed Show 2012 in Ulm clearly documented the view of the Board that of fraud and racketeering in SV eV have no business and tackle it is. His slogan "Genetic instead Monetik "has impressed itself upon many, and has stuck. Not least because this will of the overwhelming majority of members of SV eV also wished Sun
that there are loads of fraud and profiteering of health and usability of our race in our society, unfortunately is a sad fact indisputable. Any prior sanctions or temporary offices locks prove this. It is also a fact that the possibilities of the club's management, here to take adequate resources and effective measures are limited or given opportunities provided by the statutes ways unfortunately trodden not consistently enough so not to the fraud coverage, ie nationwide, weitestgehendst to . prevent Also, former press officer SV, Mr. Voltz calls, in his article in the latest SV-Zeitung, "finally to provide an efficient and oriented to the rule of law association jurisdiction on the way"
The idea of the initiative group-SV, their goal is to jointly with many like-minded people, prevent with honest sports fans simply by being present at test events that this dog training degree attests that are not justified, that tests for dogs are written that were not even in this test on the court. addition to an information to members shall be made, in what way the democratic development can be realized in the club. Proposals for amendments to the Articles of Association shall be submitted, which are likely just to counter these undesirable developments and to improve the breed contribute.
If the initiative group-SV then by high-ranking officials the association is classified agierend kind of "enemies", as against SV eV, this can either be just a lack of information about the objectives of our group or as an unwillingness to face the facts, perceived to be.
contrast, would argue that Mr. Henke and Mr. Setecki were informed of the formation of the group and initially expressed positive about it. However, they are contrary to the statements in the above-mentioned lawyer letter.
The initiative group-SV with all its members is shown here in this letter from the lawyers as simplistic damaging. For us, the letter reads as if it set for each member of this society is an insult to be associated with us. This we feel is a level of criticism of the can not believe we are that it actually reflects the opinion of the entire club management.
we request urgently on behalf of the members of the initiative group-SV by the board of SV eV an immediate statement about where letter from the lawyers Lausen for SV eV emitted as a whole value judgments about the initiative group-SV.
Messrs. Nicholas Waltrich and Hartmut Setecki we ask as much a representation of the grounds for their personal value judgment on the initiative group-SV concrete. Why, Sir, you subject us to act against SV eV leave us as "the other side" and pose as opponents of the SV eV?
Thank you in advance for a prompt response.
The Initiative Group SV-
Ina Wittfoth and Katrin Mechling
|01-22-2013 04:10 PM|
Originally Posted by cliffson1 View Post
There is a lot happening in Germany right now but I'm not sure how much you actually hear about that stuff in the US.
|01-22-2013 03:43 PM|
Originally Posted by codmaster View Post
The important thing to remember is that Schutzhund is a sport now, but was developed to evaluate the German Shepherd. Ideally, dogs have an on/off switch. The protection is a routine, not real life. It is meant to demonstrate control in all situations, even when the dog knows there is someone lurking.
For some dogs, its is all a game. The sleeve is dropped, and the dog does not know what to do with itself. For other dogs, every bite is serious. It has a ton to do with genetics and upbringing.
A good dog will protect you when the situation calls for it, but not without good reason.
|01-08-2013 05:16 PM|
|01-08-2013 11:39 AM|
The social aggression aspect is still out there....the DDR lines are being bred like crazy for pet homes....not for sport homes - the "look" is what is valued here
The market is big for the black and red/tan "traditional" (if 30 years out of 110 makes a tradition ) GSD that can be a pet....again, bred by many BYB and savvy business breeders for the pet market...more than serious breeders who show adn title....going into the priority of these breeders is another subject - but yes, when you place all your emphasis on one aspect - in this case "anatomy" - it is usually to the detriment of other expected characteristics and the segment of the breed loses the balance needed to meet the entire "standard".
....the Working line market seems to be driven to produce "Extreme drive" while only a small percentage of WL pups actually go to working homes...the rest go to pet homes....many times inexperienced pet homes who are overfaced with the management of a high energy youngster - at least without aggression, some of these dogs succeed as pets - far too many end up on a fast track to an early demise.
Luckily there are some breeders who endeavor to produce a balanced dog with the characteristics which the breed is idealized to show - with varying degrees of sucess.....those are not usually the breeders with big kennels with 6 or 12 litters a year and their own stud dogs...it is a small segment....there are a handful of breeders on this forum who strive to produce this.....and there are many who are in the US who think they do yet are still striving for that 'extreme' sport dog and sometimes the litter is way more extreme in prey or aggression because the breeder wants "names" connected to the BSP/WUSV in quantity without really understanding what comes from where. Too often breeders and litters get recommended here which IMO are not suitable to the posters who come on inquiring for dogs....if a board member is not interested in the sport or some long term training, it is not doing them or the breed a favor to push litters with high sport breeding because the website is nice or the dog is gorgeous ..... or someone has a cute puppy connected to the kennel.
The market for LE dogs brings in European dogs via brokers.....yes, some dogs from US breedings do go to LE - particularly to small departments with small budgets who want a K9 on board for PR.....some do well too! But the big departments, the cities deal within a circle of brokers where the dogs are older, testable and often do not even have paperwork coming from Europe with them....
Unfortunately - the laws of supply and demand seem to have dumbed down the breed to fit the largest segment of the market.
|01-08-2013 09:11 AM|
|cliffson1||SCH is like Politics......in the beginning (beside breed test), it was a partime venture that assisted in making meaningful contributions to society;.....today it is either a vocation until itself, or a prerequisite for making a lot of money.|
|01-08-2013 08:26 AM|
I am just saying that people nowaday seem to expect less from their dogs, and this has translated in the GSD world to less pressure on breeders to actually produce a workable dog..in my view anyways.
Strangely I have noticed an increased demand or interest in the working type GSD. Seems like more and more classifieds lately with sables all touted as European Champions..whatever that means, lol. I do see some legit looking WL pups though. Not a pedigree guru by any stretch so I can't say whether or not theres any quality behind them.
|01-08-2013 07:22 AM|
Originally Posted by Mrs.K View Post
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