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12-19-2012 11:49 PM
bethany.cole2013
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Originally Posted by Andaka View Post
While schutzhund may be the best test for breeding, it is not the only form of titling available. I know there are AKC obedience and agility clubs in Louisville. And one of the biggest show weeks in the country is held there in March. So there are many ways to prove a dog's suitablity for breeding.

Funny you should say that, because I do have an interest in doing AKC obedience and possibly agility/rally as well. IF I were to get a puppy from this litter and IF the puppy would be ready by March I would greatly consider showing it in obedience in March in Louisville.
12-19-2012 11:29 PM
qbchottu Yep I agree

Trisha Koetter in Floyds Knobs IN. great for agility and rally. flyingfeetagility.com.
Carol Knight, thedogspotky.com in Mt. Washington KY. ob, agility, rally.
Shamrock Acres in Anchorage. agility and obedience
12-19-2012 10:59 PM
Andaka While schutzhund may be the best test for breeding, it is not the only form of titling available. I know there are AKC obedience and agility clubs in Louisville. And one of the biggest show weeks in the country is held there in March. So there are many ways to prove a dog's suitablity for breeding.
12-19-2012 07:34 PM
qbchottu I don't think there has been anything said to you that has been out of line. You are getting into how complicated it gets when researching and buying a puppy. It's simple to say: I want a puppy and to possibly breed. But as you are finding out when you start down a line of questioning when deciding on a breeder, there are a LOT of things that you didn't even realize you had to consider before getting a pup. The reason why it matters if you can afford the time/money/resources to train is because it matters when deciding on a line, litter, or pup. You wouldn't put a high drive top sport prospect with someone that works 80hrs/week and has no time to devote to training. You wouldn't put an independent, slow to mature, tough male with a novice home. So it matters what you are able and willing to do with the dog. With people asking the questions about the dam, sire, breeder, and cross in question, you start to realize all the components to consider when selecting a puppy. I think you've gotten lots of good ideas and questions to ask. This is not criticism - this is what I would ask of ANY breeder or puppy that I was planning to get. Why am I getting this dog, is that dog able to fit my purpose, what has the breeder done to gain my confidence in the venues I wish to participate in, what do the bloodlines and pedigree offer in terms of pursing my goals for this dog, why this breeder, etc.
12-19-2012 07:24 PM
Freestep Couple things here Bethany.

First and foremost, if you want to be a breeder, you're going to have to grow a VERY tough skin. If you think you personally have been "criticized", "hounded", or "attacked", in this thread, I have to let you know... what's been said in this thread is NOTHING like what you will get as a breeder. Absolutely nothing. Just for being a dog breeder, some folks will automatically hate you. Others will have an issue with you doing things this way or that way. No matter what you do, someone somewhere will have a problem with it. If you change and do it their way, someone else will have a problem with that. You could be the best dog breeder in the world--it doesn't matter, people will still criticize, hound and attack you FOR REAL.

I am not telling you this in order to discourage you--I am telling you this so you can get ready for it. Breeders are like politicians. They will get criticized. How they react to criticism is viewed with as much importance as anything, so think about your strategy for dealing with it, and practice dealing with criticism graciously. You wil have to bite your tongue A LOT, but you have to deal with criticism one way or another, and dealing with it graciously is better for YOU in the long run.

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I'm fully aware that this isn't the best and first most best choice for a breeder,
Then why would you buy a dog from them? If you could have any dog you wanted, anywhere in the world, and money is no object, what would you want?

Now, look around for something similar closer to home. As far as you're willing to go, as much as you're willing to pay. Does it exist? Maybe it will, maybe it won't. If it doesn't, think about what you would need to do to make it happen anyway. Then, see if you CAN make it happen.

This is an animal you have to live with for 10-15 years, your first GSD, the dog you will learn on, the dog that you'll spend a LOT of time with, a lot of training. Ideally, you would want a dog from the type of bloodlines you will eventually want to breed, because just by getting to know an example of those bloodlines, you'll be ahead in knowledge and experience of them.

You DON'T have to take the first thing that is convenient. It is okay to hold out for what you really want. As a breeder, you will HAVE to hold out for what you really want, or there's no point in it.
12-19-2012 04:47 PM
Smithie86 No one is hounding and criticizing you. But, to be able to say a dog can do this or that, etc. you have to be able to train and test. Very simple.

If the time is not right for you, then wait. Wait until you research a bit more and are able to have the time and focus. Meanwhile, learn all that you can.
12-19-2012 04:43 PM
bethany.cole2013 My last post and this thread and then I will request that it be locked due to no one else providing any relevant information to the original post. My point is, not everyone is ABLE to travel long distances necessarily right now. I'm not saying that I'm not WILLING to travel. I am, but I'm not ABLE to for various personal reasons right now that I won't go into. That's great that you have people from that far willing and able to drive to your club. I'm not able to right now, doesn't mean I won't be able to in the future, so I would appreciate not being hounded and criticized for it right now. I have already said that NOTHING IS SET IN STONE and I haven't committed to getting a pup from this litter. Like I said in my original post, I'm trying to learn as much as I can about bloodlines and such and there isn't any real rush besides my enthusiasm for wanting to get involved in the breed as soon as I possibly can. Now, with that being said I do very much appreciate the people that did offer great and relevant answers. You have been very helpful and that is all I have to say and all I will say at this point.
12-19-2012 04:27 PM
Smithie86
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Originally Posted by qbchottu View Post
Here's the plain truth you HAVE to accept if you get into dogs: you MUST be willing to travel, spend significant time, blood, sweat, tears, and money when you plan to breed GOOD dogs. Not being able to travel one or two hrs this way or that way is not an excuse - sorry. I am reminded of what judge Mike Hamilton said at Sue and Gabor's trial in TN last week: if it was easy, everybody would be doing it! Breeding, titling, working dogs takes time, money, and a lot of personal investment. There are plenty doing it right - support those that deserve your business and patronage. It's easy to talk the talk. Anybody can do that - but there are a select few that will go out and walk the walk as well
Very true. It is very easy to hand over a dog for training, say that you do not like trialing, it is too far if more than 30 minutes. etc.. But, if the dogs are not worked and tested, you can not say they have the ability to do "x"; be it schutzhund, agility, herding, etc....
12-19-2012 03:59 PM
qbchottu
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Originally Posted by bethany.cole2013 View Post
And every single one of those clubs are well over an hour or two drive away from both myself and the breeder. If there were a Schutzhund club in Louisville, it'd be a different story and I wouldn't understand where the breeder is coming from in not having his dogs titled. But, not everyone is capable of driving that far every week or every time there is a show to title their dogs.
I drive 1.5hrs each way for one club in Lexington 1-2x a week for the past 1.5 years. I have to drive 1.5hrs for another near Cincinnati. It is 3 hours each way to go up to Ohio to train with Dean Calderon. Planning on going to Sue's club in Nashville this week that is 3 hrs each way. Get my point...?

Here's the plain truth you HAVE to accept if you get into dogs: you MUST be willing to travel, spend significant time, blood, sweat, tears, and money when you plan to breed GOOD dogs. Not being able to travel one or two hrs this way or that way is not an excuse - sorry. I am reminded of what judge Mike Hamilton said at Sue and Gabor's trial in TN last week: if it was easy, everybody would be doing it! Breeding, titling, working dogs takes time, money, and a lot of personal investment. There are plenty doing it right - support those that deserve your business and patronage. It's easy to talk the talk. Anybody can do that - but there are a select few that will go out and walk the walk as well

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An hour or two is not that far.

No, you need to do more research or you would have come up with more and active working breeders.
12-19-2012 03:58 PM
cliffson1 Bethany...don't get upset...some posters try to honestly answer your initial post in their response, others who often can't answer but must say something will go into ethical tangents. Just focus on the answers that meet your needs....that's all.
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