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02-02-2013 11:01 PM
marshies Happy to say, two months later, she is doing well. I think she just needed more time to settle those hormones.

We are still on an increased exercise load, as I take her jogging with me for about 4km every other day.

Moral of story: have patience, use consistent training, give dog some time.

Thanks for all that posted.
12-26-2012 02:58 AM
KZoppa
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Thank you! It's great to hear someone else with the same experience. I've taken the same approach as you and she understood right away as well. Did you notice a difference in energy levels pre and post soay?

before she was spayed, she was pretty laid back and for a shepherd... LAZY. She was content with a short romp around the field and then she was ready to go back home and hang out for the day. Really only had to take her out once a week, if at all, to burn off some energy. She's a house dog and perfect for it. After her spay, she was pretty lethargic the first week but as soon as she was feeling better it was like suddenly she was just all over the place. Keeping her calm was difficult. I think it took a good 3 to 4 months before she seemed to FULLY return to normal for her. Reinforcing EVERYTHING she'd learned was sometimes a pain in the butt because she'd throw the occassional "puppy" fit. She still gets into trouble every now and then but its rare enough that all I have to do is tell her she was a "BAD DOG!" and no problems for a while. I have more energy than my dog does lol. She had a couple periods during reinforcement training that she "forgot" what sit and down were. At that point, I'd take her outside and make her run around and give random commands until she was more focused.

Best of luck. I think your pup will go back to normal with some reinforcement training and reminders of whats expected of her. She'll pick up on the positive and adjust accordingly once that switch gets flipped back. Good luck! Message me if you need anything else!

ETA: the first couple weeks were the hardest but it slowly got easier. I was thankful when I realized she wasn't in naughty puppy mode anymore. My husband was the one who actually pointed out that she was normal again.
12-26-2012 02:31 AM
marshies
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I had Shasta spayed back in February 2012. She had her second birthday May 5 2012. Once she wasn't hurting anymore and got her energy back, she reverted back to some puppy behaviors. All I did was start tethering her to me again and upping the training reinforcement for a few weeks and she's back to normal. Pretty much, I treated her like she was a new puppy I'd brought home. She didn't appreciate being restricted. She was back to her normal self after a few weeks of reinforcement. Maybe thats all you need to do is remind her what the rules are and whats expected of her.
Thank you! It's great to hear someone else with the same experience. I've taken the same approach as you and she understood right away as well. Did you notice a difference in energy levels pre and post soay?
12-26-2012 01:50 AM
KZoppa I had Shasta spayed back in February 2012. She had her second birthday May 5 2012. Once she wasn't hurting anymore and got her energy back, she reverted back to some puppy behaviors. All I did was start tethering her to me again and upping the training reinforcement for a few weeks and she's back to normal. Pretty much, I treated her like she was a new puppy I'd brought home. She didn't appreciate being restricted. She was back to her normal self after a few weeks of reinforcement. Maybe thats all you need to do is remind her what the rules are and whats expected of her.
12-26-2012 01:32 AM
marshies We are one more week along and still doing well!
12-21-2012 12:45 AM
msvette2u My princess girl/diva Libby bit my phone once. I thought perhaps it rang and she had always seen me answer it, so tried to answer it herself
(she is that smart, too! LOL)
12-21-2012 12:21 AM
marshies
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She may always need that Just about the time you relax, and let up on things, is the time you lose an iPhone!

Please let us never think of losing another iPhone again. I cannot bear the thought.

Thank you for your advice. It is always great to hear so many diverse opinions.
12-20-2012 11:50 PM
msvette2u
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Thanks qbchottu. I forgot she was still a growing girl because she was such an angel for 4 months! I guess in a time of great change for her, she still needed the guidance and leadership in her life.
She may always need that Just about the time you relax, and let up on things, is the time you lose an iPhone!
12-20-2012 11:48 PM
marshies
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Originally Posted by qbchottu View Post
Up the training, exercise and containment - young dogs act out and push boundaries. I am not convinced that this is correlated to the spay - probably just a coincidence. Don't jump to hasty conclusions as some on this thread are apt to do...
Thanks qbchottu. I forgot she was still a growing girl because she was such an angel for 4 months! I guess in a time of great change for her, she still needed the guidance and leadership in her life.
12-20-2012 11:41 PM
marshies I did tell my vet about Puppy's behavior, because I too was worried that if she was "off" for reasons other than being a teenager, that she shouldn't receive vaccines. The vet watched her during the visit, and made notes. Told me that it was likely just regression from the lack of exercise and structure, and told me to keep an eye and bring her back if I notice something else. She said she seemed like a normal puppy, and didn't behave differently from other dogs that come into the clinic.

This vet isn't the BEST of the best, but it is the best balance of convenience and quality that I can access, and they are professional and respectful of my decisions as an owner. When Puppy first came home, I didn't want to give her the third round of shots, and they respected that decision. They support raw as well as whatever I am feeding her. During our visit, they were also very accomodating to my requests. Puppy is more relaxed when she is on the ground vs the exam table, so the vet basically went under Pup's belly like a car mechanic to look at her incision. I am an auditor by trade, so I understand professional skepticism when it comes to receiving information from external sources. But at the same time, I trust my vet's judgement, or else I wouldn't be going to them. I did ask Gatorbyte for the holistic vets that he knows just to have as a reference for the future, and I thank him for his input.

All in all, thank you for the many responses in this thread. It's given me much to think about, and much to discuss with my vet if I ever felt the need again.

Puppy has always been a sensitive dog, in that she is sensitive to changes in my attitude towards her. She doesn't respond well to frustration, or to anger. She has responded phenomonally to just have more boundaries back. I will keep at this for a while and see if she continues to progress. I expect her to, and will keep you guys posted.

I was out tonight, and came home after crating her for 5 hours. She was ramped up and excited to see me. We played hide and seek in my basement with tug and food as a reward. She was REALLY worked up and excited during play. But since we stopped, she has settled down in my den with me very quickly. So her energy level is great, her apetite is great, her poop is good, and we are returning to good ol' lady.

I remember at the beginning of the thread freestep mentioned it takes 6 weeks for hormones to leave the system. Maybe she just needed a bit more time.
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