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11-18-2012 04:33 PM
GatorBytes A couple quick articles...can go to blogs on Dogs naturally, vaccine article links - archives to read more

Aluminum And Your Dog

Vaccines and Brain Damage
11-18-2012 04:26 PM
Bunky15420
Eye Problem

Thanks for all the information. Definitely vet check coming up! Just to elaborate a bit though...She seems to see just fine. Sees squirrels a top of
a 70 foot tree, chases them and responds appropriately. I can call her off
of a chase of deer, squirrel, or another dog or cat. She comes immediately.
Her sense of smell seems to be excellent. I tend to think this is more of a
mind/sight thing. It seems once in a while the connection is not met. Maybe
once every other day or so this occurs. I really think she doesn't recognize us during this time, lasting only seconds. Mind you I'm with her all day, as I'm retired and I have a 7 year old collie and 16 year old aussie. We walk 1/2 mile at least once a day and we're outside most days all day. She runs with the Collie and plays.

When she was a puppy we found a tick on her. It was removed and
our vet put her on antibiotics in case of infection. I've had dogs for 50+ years and have never had a tick on one of our dogs.

She has been on heart guard....our collie isn't. I've often wondered why the
shepherd wasn't treated the same as the collie as they are both herding dogs.

There is absolutely no staggering in her walk or run. She runs smoothly and
beautifully....straight as an arrow and fast. Very balanced in her sitting as
well. When we've said we weren't breeding or showing her, people have been
extremely cruel in their responses to our choices. We know she would have done well in shows, but that's not why we got her. But my point is, that she is extremely great in every aspect of her being, except for this "disconnection".

Her parentage is England and Germany. Both parents are imports. One was
trained in tracking, the other in Schutzhund.
11-18-2012 01:28 PM
Freestep There was someone else who was having the same problem with their dog, about six months or so ago? Anyone remember what the outcome was?

This could be a visual problem, or it could be a behavior/neurological issue. A vet visit is definitely in order.

FWIW, I don't believe you caused this by vaccinating your dog.
11-18-2012 01:22 PM
huntergreen gator has some good points. first place to start is with your vet. could be an eye problem, but a neuro problem seems more likely. could even be her hearing.
11-18-2012 11:50 AM
GatorBytes
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Originally Posted by doggiedad View Post
Collies and GSD's are herding dogs.
Hence why I brought it up. However some will jump on this thread to dissect my comment that it is so rare in GSD's and is more a Collie breed issue, therefore negating form the possibility and giving any an all who read this a false sense of security...

I should have been clearer by what I meant - not falling into "that" category...I clicked submit instead of preview

Here is a list of percentages http://miniaussierescue.org/BusterAl...fo%20Sheet.pdf
11-18-2012 11:32 AM
doggiedad Collies and GSD's are herding dogs.

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Originally Posted by GatorBytes View Post
I am not seeing the correlation of this behaviour with an eye problem. Of the senses sight is the weakest, Smell and hearing are the dogs strongest senses, dogs do not actually see as well as us and their sight is better at dusk then any other time of day.

Your dog would recognize the sound and smell of you before the sight of you a block or two away.

This sounds neurological, hence why I asked about shots. Possible your dog is suffering from vaccinosis....a vaccine reaction. This started 6 months ago. IS that when she had it done - rabies that is. It doesn't always manifest as a visible reaction in an hour, day or week....symptoms can come on later months later. That is why it is usally poo poo'd as a cause and dismissed. Vaccine reactions are severily under reported do to this.

Vaccine's contain harmful adjuvants to stimulate the immune system. These things such as aluminum (all vax.), mercury (in rabies), Formaldhyde, MSG, can cause neurotoxicity. Aluminum can pass the blood brain barrier (not too many things that can), where it stays.

This could also be a symptom of MDR-1 mutation. There is a gene which is responsible for removing harmful drug deposits from the brain. In an MDR-1 dog, this is not possible. This can lead to a seizure disorder, and I would think aluminum and mercury would be right up there in this type of disorder...may exacerbate.

>>>>> Now some are going to jump on here and say it is prodominantly a Collie disorder, but it is a "herding" breed disorder, and it is likely due to GSD's not falling into this category,<<<<<

that people are not advised by vets to test for. Again, under reported. So vets manage Idiopathic seizure disorders with drugs, but still stick vacccines in them.

One of the causes of MDR-1 reaction is Ivermectin or type of, such as found in heartguard, revolution etc. and is on the "confirmed" list of MDR-1...as well as some other that do not contain these and fall under the "suspect" list. To note, this doesn't have to have an immediate reaction either, this can build up over time.

I will dig up some articles for you to consider on the subject of vaccinosis and MDR-1

Seizures come in different forms...not always grand mal, they can be petite mal....such as frozen on the spot and staring w/o recognition...any staggering in your dog?
11-18-2012 11:10 AM
GatorBytes I am not seeing the correlation of this behaviour with an eye problem. Of the senses sight is the weakest, Smell and hearing are the dogs strongest senses, dogs do not actually see as well as us and their sight is better at dusk then any other time of day.

Your dog would recognize the sound and smell of you before the sight of you a block or two away.

This sounds neurological, hence why I asked about shots. Possible your dog is suffering from vaccinosis....a vaccine reaction. This started 6 months ago. IS that when she had it done - rabies that is. It doesn't always manifest as a visible reaction in an hour, day or week....symptoms can come on later months later. That is why it is usally poo poo'd as a cause and dismissed. Vaccine reactions are severily under reported do to this.

Vaccine's contain harmful adjuvants to stimulate the immune system. These things such as aluminum (all vax.), mercury (in rabies), Formaldhyde, MSG, can cause neurotoxicity. Aluminum can pass the blood brain barrier (not too many things that can), where it stays.

This could also be a symptom of MDR-1 mutation. There is a gene which is responsible for removing harmful drug deposits from the brain. In an MDR-1 dog, this is not possible. This can lead to a seizure disorder, and I would think aluminum and mercury would be right up there in this type of disorder...may exacerbate.

Now some are going to jump on here and say it is prodominantly a Collie disorder, but it is a "herding" breed disorder, and it is likely due to GSD's not falling into this category, that people are not advised by vets to test for. Again, under reported. So vets manage Idiopathic seizure disorders with drugs, but still stick vacccines in them.

One of the causes of MDR-1 reaction is Ivermectin or type of, such as found in heartguard, revolution etc. and is on the "confirmed" list of MDR-1...as well as some other that do not contain these and fall under the "suspect" list. To note, this doesn't have to have an immediate reaction either, this can build up over time.

I will dig up some articles for you to consider on the subject of vaccinosis and MDR-1

Seizures come in different forms...not always grand mal, they can be petite mal....such as frozen on the spot and staring w/o recognition...any staggering in your dog?
11-18-2012 10:47 AM
doggiedad when you visit the Vet are they doing blood work? if i thought
my dog was having eye problems i would take him to an
eye doctor. if my dog was displaying behaviour issues like
yours i would find a behaviourist. check out an eye doctor
and a behaviourist. good luck.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunky15420 View Post
She is up to date on all her shots, visits the vet every 6 months. Healthy in all
respects. Just this quirk.
11-18-2012 09:59 AM
Courtney Time for a vet visit. I would also want to rule out tick disease...of course her eyes should be checked as well.
11-18-2012 09:16 AM
Bunky15420
Eye Problem

She is up to date on all her shots, visits the vet every 6 months. Healthy in all
respects. Just this quirk.
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