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11-20-2012 12:47 PM
RowdyDogs
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Originally Posted by Mary Beth View Post
Excellent advice. That's exactly what I did. My GSD was a lunger also and yes, could pull the leash out of my hands, easy for him at 130 lbs. My neighbor suggested a harness - she uses it on her lab mix. I tried it - front buckle but most importantly the postive training method that goes with it developed by Colorado trainer Alecia Evans - the walk in sync. It has really clicked with him. No more lunging after squirrels, rabbits, other dogs, whatever he wanted to go after..
I don't have a problem with prong collars, but I agree with this. I've had better results from headcollars and front-pull harnesses like that than prong collars when it comes to controlling a strong dog during training. Particularly if you're already uncomfortable with the prong, that might be the way to go.

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...especially the NIFIFF treatment...
I'm not familiar with this acronym, could you explain it? I'm guessing it is about the same as NILIF but I can't puzzle it out.
11-16-2012 11:46 AM
Blanketback You know your dog best. If you think WD would be happier in an outdoor kennel, then go for it. My GSDs have always told me where they'd like to hang out, and a couple have chosen sitting on the porch over laying on the couch. Much more interesting for them, they tell me, lol.
11-16-2012 11:40 AM
blackshep
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haha yr going by size, i am going off what counts - Temperament.

i can find a tree stump to get on / off with. it's the unplanned exits that hurt and come with wrong temperament... seen too many crazy horses (think arab) in small packages so pony i think not.
"i figure if you don't have the physical strength to hold a dog on a flat collar should it lunge then you have no business owning that particular dog.

not being sexist but the biggest rottweilers i have seen are owned by the smallest women i have seen. the dogs end up needing a few extra vertabrae to fit all the gadgets and collars on its neck - and for what??"
11-16-2012 11:23 AM
wolfy dog
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Originally Posted by Mary Beth View Post
I know the adolescent GSD is difficult, but in my view, it isn't going to help by pushing the dog outside - that can lead to other problems - excessive barking, boredom. Instead I suggest you alternate training sessions (short), playtime (tug, fetch) and quiet time (he practices his down/stay).
I didn't say that I was going to push him outside. I work with him most throughout the day; training is interwoven into everything I do in his presence, especially the NIFIFF treatment. Once in a while he needs to be crated since I also have a life of my own. And an outdoor kennel would be just the alternative for a crate and to eat his meaty bones. Other than that he is always inside with us.
11-15-2012 09:42 PM
x11
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Originally Posted by blackshep View Post
You're going the wrong direction.

You should be going from drafts, to WB, to TB's to pony's to mini's as you age.

haha yr going by size, i am going off what counts - Temperament.

i can find a tree stump to get on / off with. it's the unplanned exits that hurt and come with wrong temperament... seen too many crazy horses (think arab) in small packages so pony i think not.
11-15-2012 09:29 PM
Mary Beth
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Originally Posted by MattLink View Post
If you NEED to use that method then do it. But if you don't believe that method is right -- I do think you can find other ways of handling the problem, wether its other tools or just a change to your training, or both. I'm a pretty firm believer that there's always options


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Excellent advice. That's exactly what I did. My GSD was a lunger also and yes, could pull the leash out of my hands, easy for him at 130 lbs. My neighbor suggested a harness - she uses it on her lab mix. I tried it - front buckle but most importantly the postive training method that goes with it developed by Colorado trainer Alecia Evans - the walk in sync. It has really clicked with him. No more lunging after squirrels, rabbits, other dogs, whatever he wanted to go after. As for the kennel, well, if you can't watch him or aren't home, it would be better than crating - more room to move around. But, I got a GSD because he ants to be with me. And sure, I know the adolescent GSD is difficult, but in my view, it isn't going to help by pushing the dog outside - that can lead to other problems - excessive barking, boredom. Instead I suggest you alternate training sessions (short), playtime (tug, fetch) and quiet time (he practices his down/stay).
11-15-2012 01:27 PM
blackshep
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Originally Posted by wolfy dog View Post
Thanks everybody. I have now enough input to sit on the fence and make up my mind
Wolfy, BTW, I started using a prong for my girl. She pulls so hard against her flat collar, she chokes herself and I don't want her to hurt her neck. Leash respect seems to be the only thing I'm really stuck on with her. The prong helps a lot.

Do you have room to do a kennel inside? Someone suggested that to me once. Interesting idea for people living in harsher climates

I'd also like to have an outdoor run as an alternative to crating....maybe one of these days!
11-15-2012 01:24 PM
blackshep
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Originally Posted by x11 View Post

i already switched from thoroughbreds to warmbloods when next a straight cold blood?
You're going the wrong direction.

You should be going from drafts, to WB, to TB's to pony's to mini's as you age.
11-15-2012 12:57 PM
wolfy dog Thanks everybody. I have now enough input to sit on the fence and make up my mind
11-15-2012 09:51 AM
Kayos and Havoc Wolfy Dog, looks like it got off track a little......

6 GSD's. Have used prongs on all of them. This is the one I use: Herm Sprenger Stainless Steel Snap Prong Collar w/Extra Strap - dogsportgear.com

I like it as it does not tighten but still gives additional control.
I too prefer positive methods and never use a prong on a dog under 7 or 8 months. The only time I use the prong is when walking multiple dogs. I do not use it to train heel or other behaviors.

I am only about 125 pounds and yes, my male can pull me over if he chose to. Havoc is a great boy and very obedient but there are times when the prong is simply another control tool just like a gentle leader or front cliip harness. I have never had a dog create a negative association with it. I suppose that can happen if you are using the prong as a correction collar in the prescence of things the dog shows interest in. If the dog is accustomed to the prong this should not happen.
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