|11-24-2012 02:16 PM|
|jmdjack||Thank you for the post Lisa. I particularly appreciate the comment on dogs known for producing good nerve. Most of the time when nerve is discussed, it is in the context of a lack of nerve strength and then such discussions tend to involve generalities rather than specifics. A thread discussing dogs known for producing good nerve would be interesting . . . .|
|11-24-2012 11:33 AM|
I look at Grief in many ways like I look at Fero. He was a dog that needed to be balanced to maintain the nerves. When crossed with lines that were not as strong you could see the nerve coming through. This is true with most dogs, of course. My first GSD was a Grief granddaughter and was a tremendous dog and the way a GSD should be. I also trained with a Grief son, some grandkids and greatgrandkids (through a Sagus son). Some of these were not so stellar in temperament. My first schutzhund was 4,4-4 on Grief through Mink and she again was a super solid dog, but like my first GSD, Tara, the breeder knew what he was doing.
For those that like looking at pedigrees. Like Mink, Tara combined the Lierbergs with Grief (along with some other old stuff). The site says she was not linebred, but she was actually linebred on Fello and Bernd Lierberg.
Itara vom Lerchental
And my first schutzhund, Treue. Treue also had a number of lines back on VA Bert v. Haus Knüfken who was a good source of old working blood. Mink is there and then Treue also added in Urs Hopfenstraße (nerves) and Grischa schwarzen Milan (who also produced excellent nerves).
Treue vom Heiliger Huegel
|11-23-2012 10:12 PM|
|Ace952||Btw....excellent description Chris! Thank you|
|11-23-2012 10:11 PM|
|11-17-2012 05:21 AM|
|björn||Don´t know so much about ernst, popular studs like mike weinbergblick or sid v haus pixner have the females from the v haus pixner M-litter in common, are there other dogs from ernst that are popular that don´t goes back to those females?|
|11-15-2012 09:24 PM|
Wow!! Thanks for the thoughtfull reply! My dog is Mike W. and Jabina on top and Eurosport (Erri B ) and Top Pas on the bottom. So far, he is a great companion dog and really having a great time with him. Very interesting to see the critical thinking from knowledgable folks.
About the "not so stellar structure" ...I was raised by horse folk and their motto is..
Pretty is as Pretty Does!
|11-15-2012 10:31 AM|
|Chris Wild||I should also add, my description of his production was primarily referring to direct sons and daughters. In the next generation there was much more variance, depending on what other lines were brought in. In our 4 litters of grandkids, 2 of those litters didn't follow at all what we saw in the first generation; one with sharp males and soft females and the other much more sporty and less serious. In the other 2 litters of grandkids the results were much the same as we saw in the litters directly sired by him. So again, like with most dogs, what else is bred in will make a big difference, especially as he gets farther and farther back in the pedigree.|
|11-15-2012 10:18 AM|
|wildo||Ok, well, yes- I'll give you that. I suspect you're still quite capable of speaking about other dogs that you don't know so intimately though.|
|11-15-2012 10:14 AM|
Willy, our first Ernst litter was born early 2004. If after almost 9 years of working and sharing the bed with a pack of Ernst dogs I didn't have a good idea of what they were like, I wouldn't be a very observant person!
|11-15-2012 10:10 AM|
|wildo||Chris- your description amazes me. I wish I had the ability to "see" all that you can see in a dog!|
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