Looney tunes..read on

Choppa12 · 12-17-2008, 03:37 PM

Hi
I have a 2 year old Belgian Malinois, explosives. I am wondering if my issue is aggression or just a dog being a dog. I who work in K-9 and recently I have noticed my dog just goes bonkers when I come in to the kennel area or if he sees the other trucks that he knows has dogs in them. At home, in the car ANYWHERE else, at the park, out of the car on lead he is fine. He obeys me etc. But when he is in the back of the cruiser, he absolutely loses it with barking, pawing at everything, and ripping into whatever he can. If I open the door and tell him to sit, he does so calmly and gets petted. As soon as I shut the door, he goes nutso. I know the Malinois temperment is a bit different than a GSD but Im hoping for a little insight. These dogs we work with are kennel dogs and have had little socialization, so no one knows if they are fighters or not. I have no idea what to do to get him to calm down. Let me know if yo need more info. Not sure if i shoulda posted this in aggression board.

littledmc17 · 12-17-2008, 03:42 PM

I don't think its aggression
2 is still a puppy and sounds friendly
I don't know much about Mals but it sounds to me as a pup being a pup. and loves attention

Choppa12 · 12-17-2008, 04:24 PM

Yeah he definitly still has a lot of puppy in him and that is a frequent comment. However, if it something I can address now then I would like to. I dont want it to be something that I have to deal with for the next 6+ years.

**DFrost** · 12-17-2008, 05:30 PM

It's not all that unusual for a dog, in his transport vehicle, to appear aggressive. It can be controlled if you want to do that, it's just a matter of reinforceing the "out" command. Most of the time though, handlers just ignore it. That is as long as they have immediate control once the dog is removed from the vehicle.

DFrost

Puddincat · 12-17-2008, 05:55 PM

It sounds like puppy excitement to me.

Choppa12 · 12-17-2008, 10:32 PM

Not sure what the OUT command is, because he is explosives the onlyout command he gets is to give me the Kong back... it is defintitly somethign I dont want to ignore, because it gets way too annoying, so if there is something I can do to make it better Id love to learn

BowWowMeow · 12-17-2008, 11:08 PM

I'd say it's either barrier aggression or excitement. My last gsd was like this in the truck and it was terrible. There was nothing I could do, short of telling him to stop, b/c he was in the bed and I was in the cab.

My mal was like this when we saw other dogs on walks. At first I wasn't sure if it was dog aggression or excitement. I socialized him with other dogs and he was fine but it was still a problem on leash. I counter conditioned him and had him focus on me and redirected him to a toy. Pretty soon I could say "Watch Me" when another dog was coming and he would focus on me instead of the dog. This will be really hard when you're driving though unless you can get someone else to drive and you can handle him. Do you have a trainer you work with? Perhaps some sessions in the car with the trainer handling the dog could help.

**DFrost** · 12-18-2008, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted By: Choppa12Not sure what the OUT command is, because he is explosives the onlyout command he gets is to give me the Kong back... it is defintitly somethign I dont want to ignore, because it gets way too annoying, so if there is something I can do to make it better Id love to learn

I should have been more specific. You can teach the dog a command to cease all aggression. Even though he may be a single purpose detector dog, you can teach a command to silence, or cease showing aggression. Often times, with dogs that spend a lot of time in a transport vehicle, they begin to show some territorial aggression. The barking and aggressive display is reinforced when nothing happens to stop it. We teach "out" to patrol dogs, meaning; cease all aggression. The command can be anything as long as it's consistent.

DFrost

**ladylaw203** · 12-18-2008, 08:35 AM

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Not sure what the OUT command is, because he is explosives the onlyout command he gets is to give me the Kong back... it is defintitly somethign I dont want to ignore, because it gets way too annoying, so if there is something I can do to make it better Id love to learn

How is he in other circumstances? You need to get this under control. If for no other reason, the dog blows himself out going ballistic in the car and won't be ready to search when you need him. Not to mention this will only get worse. He is no puppy,you need to get hold of him

Choppa12 · 12-18-2008, 04:07 PM

In ALL other circumstances he is great. My neighbors can't believe how quiet he is. He NEVER barks. On walks he is a great heeler. When I take him out and walk around the trucks he heels. It is work because i Know he wants to break the heel, but he knows he will get corrected. But off lead if I am throwing the ball and he catches a glimpse of a black truck, he will bomb toward that. But I can tell it has got worse, not the worst, but worse...

12-17-2008, 03:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
Choppa12 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Boston, MA USA Posts: 42	Looney tunes..read on Hi I have a 2 year old Belgian Malinois, explosives. I am wondering if my issue is aggression or just a dog being a dog. I who work in K-9 and recently I have noticed my dog just goes bonkers when I come in to the kennel area or if he sees the other trucks that he knows has dogs in them. At home, in the car ANYWHERE else, at the park, out of the car on lead he is fine. He obeys me etc. But when he is in the back of the cruiser, he absolutely loses it with barking, pawing at everything, and ripping into whatever he can. If I open the door and tell him to sit, he does so calmly and gets petted. As soon as I shut the door, he goes nutso. I know the Malinois temperment is a bit different than a GSD but Im hoping for a little insight. These dogs we work with are kennel dogs and have had little socialization, so no one knows if they are fighters or not. I have no idea what to do to get him to calm down. Let me know if yo need more info. Not sure if i shoulda posted this in aggression board.

12-17-2008, 03:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
littledmc17 Crowned Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 11,306	Re: Looney tunes..read on I don't think its aggression 2 is still a puppy and sounds friendly I don't know much about Mals but it sounds to me as a pup being a pup. and loves attention __________________ Dawn GSRNE Volunteer "A dog a day keeps the Doctor away!" proudly owned by: Brady von Barren Berg, CGC GSD 5/4/05 Cooper von Nordosten, GSD 12/27/10 Missy, Chocolate Lab 3/9/03

12-17-2008, 04:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
Choppa12 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Boston, MA USA Posts: 42	Re: Looney tunes..read on Yeah he definitly still has a lot of puppy in him and that is a frequent comment. However, if it something I can address now then I would like to. I dont want it to be something that I have to deal with for the next 6+ years.

12-17-2008, 05:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
DFrost Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Tn Posts: 777	Re: Looney tunes..read on It's not all that unusual for a dog, in his transport vehicle, to appear aggressive. It can be controlled if you want to do that, it's just a matter of reinforceing the "out" command. Most of the time though, handlers just ignore it. That is as long as they have immediate control once the dog is removed from the vehicle. DFrost __________________ Any behavior that is reinforced is more likely to occur again. DFrost

12-17-2008, 05:55 PM	#5 (permalink)
Puddincat Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 154	Re: Looney tunes..read on It sounds like puppy excitement to me. __________________ Try to be the person your dog thinks you are [img]/forum/images/graemlin/smile.gif[/img]

12-17-2008, 10:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
Choppa12 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Boston, MA USA Posts: 42	Re: Looney tunes..read on Not sure what the OUT command is, because he is explosives the onlyout command he gets is to give me the Kong back... it is defintitly somethign I dont want to ignore, because it gets way too annoying, so if there is something I can do to make it better Id love to learn

12-17-2008, 11:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
BowWowMeow Crowned Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 14,798	Re: Looney tunes..read on I'd say it's either barrier aggression or excitement. My last gsd was like this in the truck and it was terrible. There was nothing I could do, short of telling him to stop, b/c he was in the bed and I was in the cab. My mal was like this when we saw other dogs on walks. At first I wasn't sure if it was dog aggression or excitement. I socialized him with other dogs and he was fine but it was still a problem on leash. I counter conditioned him and had him focus on me and redirected him to a toy. Pretty soon I could say "Watch Me" when another dog was coming and he would focus on me instead of the dog. This will be really hard when you're driving though unless you can get someone else to drive and you can handle him. Do you have a trainer you work with? Perhaps some sessions in the car with the trainer handling the dog could help. __________________ Ruth & the 4 Legged Rescue Gang Rafi the malaroo http://www.dogster.com/dogs/693238 Gio & Varda, the krazy kittens ....In my heart: Cleo Kitty Chama Kai Basu Massie

12-18-2008, 08:35 AM	#9 (permalink)
ladylaw203 Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Beaumont,Texas Posts: 4,752	Re: Looney tunes..read on Offline Not sure what the OUT command is, because he is explosives the onlyout command he gets is to give me the Kong back... it is defintitly somethign I dont want to ignore, because it gets way too annoying, so if there is something I can do to make it better Id love to learn How is he in other circumstances? You need to get this under control. If for no other reason, the dog blows himself out going ballistic in the car and won't be ready to search when you need him. Not to mention this will only get worse. He is no puppy,you need to get hold of him __________________ Renee Utley Port Authority Police KaroSkocickaSamotaZM,ZOP,ZPU,FPR,FPR,ZVV1,ZZZ,ZZP, RHE,ZM TART, IRO titled SAR dog ZVV1 Gabbi Mariko Bohemia ZVV1 Jessy Vikar www.nndda.org, Certifying official http://www.voneintzeshepherds.com

12-18-2008, 04:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
Choppa12 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Boston, MA USA Posts: 42	Re: Looney tunes..read on In ALL other circumstances he is great. My neighbors can't believe how quiet he is. He NEVER barks. On walks he is a great heeler. When I take him out and walk around the trucks he heels. It is work because i Know he wants to break the heel, but he knows he will get corrected. But off lead if I am throwing the ball and he catches a glimpse of a black truck, he will bomb toward that. But I can tell it has got worse, not the worst, but worse...

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