CA Trial Dog Evidence

**Samba** · 06-07-2011, 01:47 PM

I never thought about it much, I guess. It looks to me like the cadaver dog indication is being presented as evidence that a cadaver was once in a trunk.

I guess I just thought of dog indications as a probable cause thing whereby search could be initiated for physical evidence.

Never really thought about the indication itself being presented as evidence by the prosecution. How does that work? The defense is going to challenge the validity of this big time, I imagine!

**ladylaw203** · 06-07-2011, 04:35 PM

The alert of a human remains detector dog constitutes REASONABLE SUSPICION ONLY. Not probable cause. The alert can be used as evidence however. That is why I preach to civilians to properly train, proof, keep training records, obtain proper certifications etc. EVERY unattended death is treated as a homicide until the evidence proves otherwise.

**Samba** · 06-07-2011, 05:03 PM

Very interesting seeing this presented as evidence. Obviously the details of the dogs training and performance overall are very important. Does this means some dogs present more "credible" evidence than others?

Wow...just heard dog evidence can overturn a case depending on the reliability of the dog.

**DFrost** · 06-07-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Samba

Does this means some dogs present more "credible" evidence than others?

Without question - yes. As Ms Rene said, document, document, document. I may have added a couple "documents" but only because it is extremely important.

DFrost

**Samba** · 06-07-2011, 05:14 PM

Dog handler training is obviously more technical than I realized before.

There was discussion today regarding videotaping the dog working a scene. In this case there was no video. What are the pros and cons of taping?

Jax's Mom · 06-07-2011, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Samba

In this case there was no video. What are the pros and cons of taping?

A big con would be influencing a jury who may not know enough, or too much about canine behavior.
I'd hope the accuracy of the dog and handler were explored if used as evidence.

**JakodaCD OA** · 06-07-2011, 05:37 PM

I watched the court proceedings with the dog handler, I must say he held his own very well.

**Samba** · 06-07-2011, 05:52 PM

http://http://www.tampabay.com/news/...cle1165295.ece

Can someone explain what the article is saying? I must no longer be able to read for understanding!

TitonsDad · 06-07-2011, 05:52 PM

I've been following the Casey Anthony case down in Florida. I know they're into the evidence of the trunk, garbage bag, air samples, whatever. Are there plans to present the cadaver dog's indication in this trial? I forgot what the judge ruled in preliminary trial.

TitonsDad · 06-07-2011, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Samba

http://http://www.tampabay.com/news/...cle1165295.ece

Can someone explain what the article is saying? I must no longer be able to read for understanding!

Link doesn't work.

06-07-2011, 01:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
Samba Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,449	CA Trial Dog Evidence I never thought about it much, I guess. It looks to me like the cadaver dog indication is being presented as evidence that a cadaver was once in a trunk. I guess I just thought of dog indications as a probable cause thing whereby search could be initiated for physical evidence. Never really thought about the indication itself being presented as evidence by the prosecution. How does that work? The defense is going to challenge the validity of this big time, I imagine!

06-07-2011, 04:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
ladylaw203 Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Beaumont,Texas Posts: 4,752	The alert of a human remains detector dog constitutes REASONABLE SUSPICION ONLY. Not probable cause. The alert can be used as evidence however. That is why I preach to civilians to properly train, proof, keep training records, obtain proper certifications etc. EVERY unattended death is treated as a homicide until the evidence proves otherwise. __________________ Renee Utley Port Authority Police KaroSkocickaSamotaZM,ZOP,ZPU,FPR,FPR,ZVV1,ZZZ,ZZP, RHE,ZM TART, IRO titled SAR dog ZVV1 Gabbi Mariko Bohemia ZVV1 Jessy Vikar www.nndda.org, Certifying official http://www.voneintzeshepherds.com

06-07-2011, 05:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
Samba Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,449	Very interesting seeing this presented as evidence. Obviously the details of the dogs training and performance overall are very important. Does this means some dogs present more "credible" evidence than others? Wow...just heard dog evidence can overturn a case depending on the reliability of the dog. Last edited by Samba; 06-07-2011 at 05:10 PM.

06-07-2011, 05:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
JakodaCD OA Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Old Lyme, CT USA Posts: 14,237	I watched the court proceedings with the dog handler, I must say he held his own very well. __________________ Diane Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi "Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC "Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC Jakoda's Jagged Edge

06-07-2011, 05:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
TitonsDad Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1,028	I've been following the Casey Anthony case down in Florida. I know they're into the evidence of the trunk, garbage bag, air samples, whatever. Are there plans to present the cadaver dog's indication in this trial? I forgot what the judge ruled in preliminary trial. __________________ -Erich Jove vom Denali - HOT Waiting at the Bridge: Samurai

06-07-2011, 05:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
Samba Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,449	Dog handler training is obviously more technical than I realized before. There was discussion today regarding videotaping the dog working a scene. In this case there was no video. What are the pros and cons of taping?

06-07-2011, 05:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
Samba Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,449	http://http://www.tampabay.com/news/...cle1165295.ece Can someone explain what the article is saying? I must no longer be able to read for understanding!

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