My new dog is on his way from Germany!

KLZ86 · 11-15-2012, 12:34 AM

I posted on here a couple weeks ago about wanting to find a dog thoroughly trained in obedience and protection and after 2 weeks of waiting for the breeders to "test" the dog into what I wanted we have found the ONE and he is on his way.

Shipping all the way from Germany to Texas here is Dino.

Stick Stress Command "Dino" - YouTube

Dino - YouTube

Courage test "Dino" - YouTube

Aus Command "Dino" - YouTube

And this is his breeding..

The Father is : Arras vom Schwartenzwinger Schutzhund 3 , IPO 3 FH, FCI, 2 times DJJM , German BSP !!!!!!

The Mother is: Echidna vom Halleys schen komet Schutzhund 3 KKL 1 SG

Any insight or information more into my dog for those of you who are "educated" would be great! I know NOTHING about breeding and am curious about his bloodlines. Also thoughts on the video would be great too!

THank you!!!

dbrk9 · 11-15-2012, 12:59 AM

He's beautiful! How exciting!

Mrs.K · 11-15-2012, 01:56 AM

That is not a finished dog. From your description, you wanted a finished dog that is extremely obedient. He does not appear to be ready for the IPO1 yet, not even ready for the BH.

Did you see his downs? Sits? Stand stay? Long down? Did you see how he is in public? Within traffic? With other people? Or is this all you got?

codmaster · 11-15-2012, 02:22 AM

"I know NOTHING about breeding and am curious about his bloodlines"

A little late to be asking about this isn't it?

I would assume that you have already inquired and found out all you needed to know about your new dog before you bought him, no?

Or at least had someone you know and trust tell you about him?

**Castlemaid** · 11-15-2012, 06:12 AM

Hi KL - is this your first protection trained GSD? How old is Dino? Videos like this look very impressive to a newbie but it doesn't show the whole dog. The obedience he is showing in the videos is very basic for a protection dog. how is Dino's obedience off leash, in public, around other dogs, people, kids, busy places? Can he hold a down stay in a distracting environment? Can he be running after a ball and hit the dirt instantly when told to stop and down? So far his protection training is barking at someone with a sleeve and outing on command - he does both things well, but as Mrs.K said, this is beginner work, and he is working in prey drive - a state of excitement and play, which is fine for starting a young dog - but the test of being protective comes out later when the dog is older, more mature, and the decoy knows how to test a dog with real psychological pressure.

If you like this dog, have plans to continue his training yourself, understand that these videos do not show the whole dog, then great, enjoy him (he does not look ready for off-leash obedience, for example - I just hope you understand what these videos are showing, or not showing)! More important for you to have a dog that you can live with, not so much how well he does in bite training or well he heels when there is a ball lure and no distractions, but how excitable is he in everyday life? how does he settle in the house, how does he do being walked on leash in public around other dogs and distractions, how is he around small animals like cats, and how much has he been socialized and exposed to the real world in general.

**Castlemaid** · 11-15-2012, 06:17 AM

Also, the stick stress the decoy gives is minimal. The dog has some good potential, but is far from being "thoroughly trained" (it takes YEARS).

Kayos and Havoc · 11-15-2012, 09:06 AM

I know little about protection training as I do not do it but frome watching the vids and seeing other dogs thoroughly trained in protection, this guy is not fully trained.

I think as long as you know that and plan on continiuning to train with him (you should!) then you will have fun and end up with a really nice dog. And if Schutzhund ends up not being to your liking consider AKC obedience or agility.

onyx'girl · 11-15-2012, 09:10 AM

dbrk9, do you have a club lined up to train with?
I agree, this pup and you need to keep on keeping on! He is still quite young?

justde · 11-15-2012, 09:18 AM

Exciting. Good luck...see my response in your other thread.
Sue

**Chris Wild** · 11-15-2012, 09:21 AM

I'd be very curious how you came upon this dog and why he is "the ONE". Seems like a decent enough young green dog, but he is very far from being "thoroughly trained in obedience and protection".

These videos show foundation work with a young dog, and nothing more. The protection is prey based with no seriousness to it whatsoever. He'll bite a sleeve sure, but that is not true protection. It is a game. The obedience is clearly unfinished and looks to be no where near ready for off lead work in the real world full of people, cars, dogs and other distractions when the handler isn't using a ball as a lure to keep the dog paying attention and working.

I see a young dog with some good potential and decent foundation work, but a LOT more training would be required to be able to consider this dog "thoroughly trained" in either aspect, and very different training would be required if you want true protection rather than playing tug with a sleeve.

11-15-2012, 01:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
Mrs.K Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 8,467	That is not a finished dog. From your description, you wanted a finished dog that is extremely obedient. He does not appear to be ready for the IPO1 yet, not even ready for the BH. Did you see his downs? Sits? Stand stay? Long down? Did you see how he is in public? Within traffic? With other people? Or is this all you got? Last edited by Mrs.K; 11-15-2012 at 01:58 AM.

11-15-2012, 06:12 AM	#5 (permalink)
Castlemaid The Administrator from the Great White North, eh? Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Northern British Columbia Posts: 11,173	Hi KL - is this your first protection trained GSD? How old is Dino? Videos like this look very impressive to a newbie but it doesn't show the whole dog. The obedience he is showing in the videos is very basic for a protection dog. how is Dino's obedience off leash, in public, around other dogs, people, kids, busy places? Can he hold a down stay in a distracting environment? Can he be running after a ball and hit the dirt instantly when told to stop and down? So far his protection training is barking at someone with a sleeve and outing on command - he does both things well, but as Mrs.K said, this is beginner work, and he is working in prey drive - a state of excitement and play, which is fine for starting a young dog - but the test of being protective comes out later when the dog is older, more mature, and the decoy knows how to test a dog with real psychological pressure. If you like this dog, have plans to continue his training yourself, understand that these videos do not show the whole dog, then great, enjoy him (he does not look ready for off-leash obedience, for example - I just hope you understand what these videos are showing, or not showing)! More important for you to have a dog that you can live with, not so much how well he does in bite training or well he heels when there is a ball lure and no distractions, but how excitable is he in everyday life? how does he settle in the house, how does he do being walked on leash in public around other dogs and distractions, how is he around small animals like cats, and how much has he been socialized and exposed to the real world in general. __________________ Lucia Keeta BH, OB1, TR1, AD Rottweiler/Hairy Dog mix?? Shelter rescue Gryffon Vom Wildhaus BH

11-15-2012, 06:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
Castlemaid The Administrator from the Great White North, eh? Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Northern British Columbia Posts: 11,173	Also, the stick stress the decoy gives is minimal. The dog has some good potential, but is far from being "thoroughly trained" (it takes YEARS). __________________ Lucia Keeta BH, OB1, TR1, AD Rottweiler/Hairy Dog mix?? Shelter rescue Gryffon Vom Wildhaus BH

11-15-2012, 09:06 AM	#7 (permalink)
Kayos and Havoc Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: McAlester, OK Posts: 17,377	I know little about protection training as I do not do it but frome watching the vids and seeing other dogs thoroughly trained in protection, this guy is not fully trained. I think as long as you know that and plan on continiuning to train with him (you should!) then you will have fun and end up with a really nice dog. And if Schutzhund ends up not being to your liking consider AKC obedience or agility. __________________ Kathy URO3, UCD Aleshanee Windridge "Kayos" CD,TDX,RE,CGC,HIC,TC (1/20/03) UAG1,URO2, UCD Xtra!Xtra! V. TeMar "Havoc" CDX,GN,RE,CGC,HIC,TC,BH (6/4/07) Tidmore's Rising Star Lydia "Mayhem" CGC, (4/4/12) At the bridge Lucky, Wolf, Max

11-15-2012, 09:10 AM	#8 (permalink)
onyx'girl Crowned Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: SW, MI Posts: 21,181	dbrk9, do you have a club lined up to train with? I agree, this pup and you need to keep on keeping on! He is still quite young? __________________ Jane~ Kept by Onyx, Kacie and Gideon v Wildhaus aka Karlo

11-15-2012, 12:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
dbrk9 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: California Posts: 112	He's beautiful! How exciting!

11-15-2012, 02:22 AM	#4 (permalink)
codmaster Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: California, US Posts: 5,928	"I know NOTHING about breeding and am curious about his bloodlines" A little late to be asking about this isn't it? I would assume that you have already inquired and found out all you needed to know about your new dog before you bought him, no? Or at least had someone you know and trust tell you about him?

11-15-2012, 09:18 AM	#9 (permalink)
justde Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Phillips, Wisconsin Posts: 307	Exciting. Good luck...see my response in your other thread. Sue __________________ http://vonjustdekennel.webs.com/index.htm

11-15-2012, 09:21 AM	#10 (permalink)
Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 13,033	I'd be very curious how you came upon this dog and why he is "the ONE". Seems like a decent enough young green dog, but he is very far from being "thoroughly trained in obedience and protection". These videos show foundation work with a young dog, and nothing more. The protection is prey based with no seriousness to it whatsoever. He'll bite a sleeve sure, but that is not true protection. It is a game. The obedience is clearly unfinished and looks to be no where near ready for off lead work in the real world full of people, cars, dogs and other distractions when the handler isn't using a ball as a lure to keep the dog paying attention and working. I see a young dog with some good potential and decent foundation work, but a LOT more training would be required to be able to consider this dog "thoroughly trained" in either aspect, and very different training would be required if you want true protection rather than playing tug with a sleeve. __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels*

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