My new dog is on his way from Germany!

[pets4life]

I think OB is least of your concern I have an import also regardless you are going to have to retrain the ob anyways. The language is not the same your dog is not going to understand you. You will have to train the ob again. I would not look for a dog with advanced op. You retrain it all over again when you get the dog your own way. A started dog thats had a good foundation in bite work is very good though if they did it properly.

[onyx'girl]

OB would be THE most important thing aside from seeing a confident dog. If the dog is confident and obedient, the rest will fall naturally.

[Olivers mama]

Originally Posted by pets4life

I think OB is least of your concern I have an import also regardless you are going to have to retrain the ob anyways. The language is not the same your dog is not going to understand you. You will have to train the ob again. I would not look for a dog with advanced op. You retrain it all over again when you get the dog your own way. A started dog thats had a good foundation in bite work is very good though if they did it properly.

KLZ - First, Congrats on your new dog. (You've gotten more criticism here than congrats...) Second, even the most knowledgable GSD people can't see the whole picture from a few 30-second video snippets. Dino's 2, but they may have started his training later, which is why he "looks" younger.

What you paid for him is your business. Out here, a dog strong in OB STARTS @ 3K. A fully-trained PPD STARTS @ over 3 times that amount.

I wouldn't be concerned over any "language barrier". He probably was also trained with hand signals & will "learn English" as you repeat verbal commands along with the hand signals. They may have already given you the German words to use on him.

Enjoy your new addition. And come back with progress reports & pictures!

[LifeofRiley]

Wow, this thread has been oddly negative. Congrats on your new dog! I am sure that you are really excited and looking forward to bringing him home on Tuesday. I, for one, hope you continue posting updates here! Regardless of price or pedigree, we are talking about a living being that requires love, care and attention above all else. It sounds like he will receive that with your family. And, with that foundation, he will give that back and more!

[robk]

I agree. I think this board has been pretty rough on you. I think Dino is a nice looking dog and has a nice foundation on him. He just needs to have his training continued. By the way. It takes years to have an accomplished and fully polished dog. Your new dog is only 2. Many people do not even begin serious training until after a dog is at least a year or older. I hope you stick around and keep us updated on Dino when he arrives and how his training goes.

[KLZ86]

Originally Posted by pets4life

I think OB is least of your concern I have an import also regardless you are going to have to retrain the ob anyways. The language is not the same your dog is not going to understand you. You will have to train the ob again. I would not look for a dog with advanced op. You retrain it all over again when you get the dog your own way. A started dog thats had a good foundation in bite work is very good though if they did it properly.

I am very fully aware that the commands are not in English and have been over them numerous times with the handler in German.

I understand the dog needs time to settle but I do not expect to have to re train the dog, that just sounds absurd. He will need a few weeks to get accustomed to my family, certain sounds, our routine, and yes the way I pronounce the commands but I do not in any way believe that I am going to have to be re training the animal. I have contacted many references from many states here in the US and they are all very pleased with the quality and training of the animals that they have received. If I am at all displeased I will handle it with the proper measures needed but right now we are just excited to have a new addition to our family!


And FWIW I am an avid equestrian and we import high quality show horses all the time without seeing them first hand or riding them. Although YES I will admit I know a lot more about showing than GSD's the importing of the dog does not bother.

[KLZ86]

Originally Posted by LifeofRiley

Wow, this thread has been oddly negative. Congrats on your new dog! I am sure that you are really excited and looking forward to bringing him home on Tuesday. I, for one, hope you continue posting updates here! Regardless of price or pedigree, we are talking about a living being that requires love, care and attention above all else. It sounds like he will receive that with your family. And, with that foundation, he will give that back and more!

THANK YOU!!!

I cannot for the life of me understand where all this negativity is coming from. I could understand if I was a BYB and bragging about that or had some pretty sickly dogs I was showing off but I guess I don't get what all the criticism is about this little guy. On my original thread about 2 weeks ago I did post that I wanted a fully trained dog in obedience and protection but after talking with the breeder and discussing my routine and what I needed the dog here for I think he chose what BEST suits me. And that is a calm relaxed dog that is sharp in his obedience and will be a family protector. FTW I have never had a very nicely trained dog so I liked what I saw in the video and what his references told me. I also did have a large budget but that isn't a concern of anyones.. I was posting so that people could help and knew my price range (it always helps to known a price range when purchasing something) and help me. But I guess it has turned into a "I hope you didn't pay THAT much for THAT dog".


As for the pedigree I am clueless as to GSD lines and yes I have already purchased this dog but was also wanting some insight to if anyone knew about his bloodlines. He has been fully vetted and x rayed with excellent hip status so I know there is not a concern for me there.

If anyone know's anything about his bloodlines I would love to hear!

[onyx'girl]

Originally Posted by KLZ86

THANK YOU!!!

I cannot for the life of me understand where all this negativity is coming from. I could understand if I was a BYB and bragging about that or had some pretty sickly dogs I was showing off but I guess I don't get what all the criticism is about this little guy. On my original thread about 2 weeks ago I did post that I wanted a fully trained dog in obedience and protection but after talking with the breeder and discussing my routine and what I needed the dog here for I think he chose what BEST suits me. And that is a calm relaxed dog that is sharp in his obedience and will be a family protector. FTW I have never had a very nicely trained dog so I liked what I saw in the video and what his references told me. I also did have a large budget but that isn't a concern of anyones.. I was posting so that people could help and knew my price range (it always helps to known a price range when purchasing something) and help me. But I guess it has turned into a "I hope you didn't pay THAT much for THAT dog".


As for the pedigree I am clueless as to GSD lines and yes I have already purchased this dog but was also wanting some insight to if anyone knew about his bloodlines. He has been fully vetted and x rayed with excellent hip status so I know there is not a concern for me there.

If anyone know's anything about his bloodlines I would love to hear!

This is part of the reason for people questioning your choice...
Lines are very important in the make up of the dogs temperament and health. Also, when a person goes to a vendor and expects to pay the top dollar, you know the vendor will have just the right fit for that price range. Hopefully you weren't taken advantage of.

What is the pedigree(I may have missed it in all these posts, sorry!)

[KLZ86]

Originally Posted by onyx'girl

This is part of the reason for people questioning your choice...
Lines are very important in the make up of the dogs temperament and health. Also, when a person goes to a vendor and expects to pay the top dollar, you know the vendor will have just the right fit for that price range. Hopefully you weren't taken advantage of.

What is the pedigree(I may have missed it in all these posts, sorry!)

Just note that I did NOT tell the "Vendor" my price range. When I called he told me that his dogs are listed from X to X and if that was out of my range than there was no point in continuing to have him look at his inventory. So I don't believe I was at all taken advantage of in that aspect but I totally understand what you are saying. I actually told him to stay on the lower end of what he quoted me.

Here is the dog's pedigree.

The Father is : Arras vom Schwartenzwinger Schutzhund 3 , IPO 3 FH, FCI, 2 times DJJM , German BSP



The Mother is: Echidna vom Halleys schen komet Schutzhund 3 KKL 1 SG

[x11]

i will leave this for the ped nerds;

And this is his breeding..

The Father is : Arras vom Schwartenzwinger Schutzhund 3 , IPO 3 FH, FCI, 2 times DJJM , German BSP !!!!!!

The Mother is: Echidna vom Halleys schen komet Schutzhund 3 KKL 1 SG


to the OP i know you asked about pedigrees but you mentioned your other needs and i think people are just trying to point out that any dog at that age/stage is little or no indication as to whether it will or won't be a family protector as you require. your family needs protecting in what context? if your needs are real you best welcome a discussion before you have to find out by doing or getting done.