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Whitefang3 05-04-2014 05:00 PM

2 ball game/ out command
I'm having trouble with eos and getting her to out when we are playing with 2 balls. She will chew/toss around the one in her mouth for a bit before she decides to drop it.

Whenever we are playing with her tug however, as soon as I make the tug go dead and rest it against my legs and give the out command she obeys 8/10 times

Can anyone give me some advice in regards to this?

Baillif 05-04-2014 05:09 PM

Here's why I don't like two ball.

It's basically adding an extra step to a process and not really teaching the dog what it should be doing.

It's like if my dog is biting a decoy and I out him and essentially redirect him immediately to bite another decoy. If that sounds silly to you then why do it with two balls?

Whitefang3 05-04-2014 05:24 PM

When you put it like that it makes sense, so just use one ball?

Baillif 05-04-2014 05:42 PM

Right. Fun stops till the dog does what it's supposed to.

How old is this dog?

Whitefang3 05-04-2014 05:51 PM

About a yr and a half

Baillif 05-04-2014 05:55 PM

Ivan Balabanov sells a DVD called The Game. You should buy it. You won't have issues like that again after.

gsdsar 05-04-2014 05:57 PM

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I love two hose/ball. Allows me to keep my dog engaged and get good exersise as well.

If you are having problems with the dog retrieving then only using one ball is going to make it worse. Especially if he gets corrected until he comes back into you.

With two hose/ball, start with the dog on a long line, throw the ball, once he has it, run backwards a bit, calling his name and activating the other toy. Since he is on a long line you can reel him in. If he gets chewy on the first toy, hold his collar and with the other hand activate the second toy. Make it waaaaay more fun that the first, the second he drops the first one, throw the second.

If your dog is not outing the first toy, you are not making the second fun enough. They need to learn that the dead toy stinks. It's the live toy they want.

I guess though it all depends on what you are using the game for. If it's training as a reward, then I would not be using two toy. If it's to excersise and free up your dog after a good session, then two toy is great.

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Baillif 05-04-2014 06:01 PM

It's essentially bribing your dog off the first toy and that's just no good. It's not training.

Whitefang3 05-04-2014 06:04 PM

I was doing it more for fun but it does get bothersome when she doesn't drop the first ball. Retrieving the ball is not the problem it's getting her to drop it so I can throw the 2nd one.

gsdsar 05-04-2014 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Baillif (Post 5470378)
It's essentially bribing your dog off the first toy and that's just no good. It's not training.

I wholly disagree. You say to make the fun stop until the dog does what you want. But the dog is having fun chewing on the ball, while you do what? Correct a puppy? Tell it "no" over and over? Stand still until the dog gets bored of it own game so you can pick up the toy and then reengage the dog?

Two hose done correctly, keeps the dog engaged, teaches the out, allows for quicker exchanges of toy and more fluid training? Some people don't like throwing the toy. Fine, modify the two toy game into a toy exchange. It's how we rewards FEMA dogs. Trust me, they are trained not bribed.

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