what to do if I can't get focus in public - Page 3

PaddyD · 10-22-2011, 04:05 PM

I don't believe in prong collars and my dog could care less about kibble or treats when she excited. I make her sit and I stand between her and whatever she is focused on and wait for her to calm down. This sometimes has to be repeated every few steps or until the 'distraction' has moved away. This is also a good opportunity to practice heeling and walking away from the distraction.
By the way, I believe prong collars are a good option for some. I am just lucky in not having to resort to them.

cowboy17 · 10-22-2011, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AbbyK9

Why would I want my dog to break the sit, though? Sit should be sit/stay until released, not sit until the dog feels like it's time to get rewarded.

The "yes" is the release. The required action has been completed to the expectation.

the key is the building of the drive for the food by making the dog move for it.

as example, take a treat and just hand the dog the treat. see how excited he gets to get that treat.
now take another treat and move it away from him (lure him).
He will work more for the treat and want it more.

another way to look at it is like a dangling carrot. If the carrot is easy to get, you don't have to work for it at all.

AbbyK9 · 10-23-2011, 01:20 AM

Cowboy - your posts are quite unclear. Do you click for the correct action and then use "yes" as the release? Or is your click / voice marker the release that allows your dog to break the stay and come chasing after the treat?

I really don't see how having the dog break the stay makes him "more driven" for the food than, say, tossing it to him after he completed the action you wanted or having him wait for it as you step back in and treat.

cowboy17 · 10-23-2011, 08:43 AM

sorry for being unclear.

I don't use a clicker. The "yes" is my marker and my release.
When I "yes" he has complete my request to my liking, and he is treated for this. But, I don't just hand him the treat.

See this video at around 2:26.
See when he treats the dog he makes the dog move for the treat to "Build food drive" in the dog.

The Power of Training Dogs with Food with Michael Ellis - YouTube

I guess what I am suggesting is to go back to the basics and develop more food drive and stronger engagement to begin helping with your problem.

10-23-2011, 01:20 AM	#23 (permalink)
AbbyK9 Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: North Country, NY Posts: 12,442	Cowboy - your posts are quite unclear. Do you click for the correct action and then use "yes" as the release? Or is your click / voice marker the release that allows your dog to break the stay and come chasing after the treat? I really don't see how having the dog break the stay makes him "more driven" for the food than, say, tossing it to him after he completed the action you wanted or having him wait for it as you step back in and treat. __________________ Malinois Ronja - fastest K-9 in VT =^^= Finn, Ratchet & Ollie Blog - Facebook - Store

10-22-2011, 04:05 PM	#21 (permalink)
PaddyD Banned Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: MassaCHEWsetts Posts: 5,222	I don't believe in prong collars and my dog could care less about kibble or treats when she excited. I make her sit and I stand between her and whatever she is focused on and wait for her to calm down. This sometimes has to be repeated every few steps or until the 'distraction' has moved away. This is also a good opportunity to practice heeling and walking away from the distraction. By the way, I believe prong collars are a good option for some. I am just lucky in not having to resort to them.

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