Teaching a Dominant Dog A Submissive Position

Wolfiesmom · 06-25-2011, 06:05 PM

I have been trying to teach Wolfie to lay on his side. He has a very dominant personality, so this is a tough position for him. He will do it when I tell him but then get right up. After working on it for 10 minutes, he ran over to his bed and started humping it. I had high value treats to teach him with, and he wouldn't even take the treat when he had to go hump his bed. I stopped the lesson right there and will pick it up again later on tonight. Is there an easier way for him to learn this?

**JakodaCD OA** · 06-25-2011, 06:19 PM

I would do this,,,as soon as he goes on his side, treat him, and maybe use BANG as command for that position? (just a thought)..I would use whatever word yoru doing to get him on his side, treat , GOOD BANG (or whatever word you want to use), and release him, I'd release him BEFORE he makes the decision to get up.. Maybe work on extending that release word, by milliseconds,,you want to release him BEFORE he makes the decision,,and maybe even constantly treat him one right after the other, while he is in the position,,adding a little time each time you get him to stay for whatever length of time..Make sense? LOL

Wolfiesmom · 06-25-2011, 06:21 PM

Yes, that makes sense. This way I am making the decision to let him up. I will try it.

**Cassidy's Mom** · 06-25-2011, 06:24 PM

I agree with Diane - rapid fire treats while he's in position, and then release him to get up before he gets up on his own, starting with a very brief amount of time at first and then working up to longer.

I don't think this has anything to do with a dominant dog and a submissive position, I think it's simply a training issue. Duration of a behavior has to be trained, no matter what the behavior is. You can also capture the position whenever he does it on his own (surely he lays on his side to rest from time to time?), marking and rewarding it. The more you reward something the more the dog is going to offer it up, and then you can put a command to it.

TitonsDad · 06-25-2011, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfiesmom

I have been trying to teach Wolfie to lay on his side. He has a very dominant personality, so this is a tough position for him. He will do it when I tell him but then get right up. After working on it for 10 minutes, he ran over to his bed and started humping it. I had high value treats to teach him with, and he wouldn't even take the treat when he had to go hump his bed. I stopped the lesson right there and will pick it up again later on tonight. Is there an easier way for him to learn this?

I lost my drink...

So now he was a former male gigolo.

Wolfiesmom · 06-25-2011, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TitonsDad

I lost my drink...

So now he was a former male gigolo.

HAHAHA! Yes he was definitely that! Whenever I don't let him do something, for instance, shoving his tongue in the vacuum cleaner hose while it's on, or it I make him do something he doesn't like he runs over and humps his bed.

**JakodaCD OA** · 06-25-2011, 07:27 PM

well I kinda skimmed over the humping thing LOL,,wolfie cracks me up, and he shoves his tongue in the vac hose while it's on? OH MY GOSH LMBO...

You need to write a book "Living with Wolfie"

And debbie explained things much better than I !

Wolfiesmom · 06-25-2011, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JakodaCD OA

I would do this,,,as soon as he goes on his side, treat him, and maybe use BANG as command for that position? (just a thought)..I would use whatever word yoru doing to get him on his side, treat , GOOD BANG (or whatever word you want to use), and release him, I'd release him BEFORE he makes the decision to get up.. Maybe work on extending that release word, by milliseconds,,you want to release him BEFORE he makes the decision,,and maybe even constantly treat him one right after the other, while he is in the position,,adding a little time each time you get him to stay for whatever length of time..Make sense? LOL

Yay! I tried this and it worked!!

Wolfiesmom · 06-25-2011, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JakodaCD OA

well I kinda skimmed over the humping thing LOL,,wolfie cracks me up, and he shoves his tongue in the vac hose while it's on? OH MY GOSH LMBO...

You need to write a book "Living with Wolfie"

And debbie explained things much better than I !

It's a pain when I am trying to vacuum with the hose and he keeps shoving his tongue in there. I have central vac and he figured out that all he has to do is grab the handle to flip the switch on. I can't leave it unattended or he wont have any tongue left. I have a weird dog.

TitonsDad · 06-25-2011, 10:14 PM

It's all coming together now... Male gigolo by night, Butler by day...

06-25-2011, 06:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
Wolfiesmom Crowned Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,810	Teaching a Dominant Dog A Submissive Position I have been trying to teach Wolfie to lay on his side. He has a very dominant personality, so this is a tough position for him. He will do it when I tell him but then get right up. After working on it for 10 minutes, he ran over to his bed and started humping it. I had high value treats to teach him with, and he wouldn't even take the treat when he had to go hump his bed. I stopped the lesson right there and will pick it up again later on tonight. Is there an easier way for him to learn this? __________________ Mom to Chases Wolfgang Heinrich Von Ryan aka Wolfie born 12/20/09 Waiting for us at the bridge is Chases Chieftain aka Chiefy Left this earth and left a hole in our hearts July 2000

06-25-2011, 06:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
JakodaCD OA Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Old Lyme, CT USA Posts: 14,237	I would do this,,,as soon as he goes on his side, treat him, and maybe use BANG as command for that position? (just a thought)..I would use whatever word yoru doing to get him on his side, treat , GOOD BANG (or whatever word you want to use), and release him, I'd release him BEFORE he makes the decision to get up.. Maybe work on extending that release word, by milliseconds,,you want to release him BEFORE he makes the decision,,and maybe even constantly treat him one right after the other, while he is in the position,,adding a little time each time you get him to stay for whatever length of time..Make sense? LOL __________________ Diane Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi "Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC "Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC Jakoda's Jagged Edge

06-25-2011, 06:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
Wolfiesmom Crowned Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3,810	Yes, that makes sense. This way I am making the decision to let him up. I will try it. __________________ Mom to Chases Wolfgang Heinrich Von Ryan aka Wolfie born 12/20/09 Waiting for us at the bridge is Chases Chieftain aka Chiefy Left this earth and left a hole in our hearts July 2000

06-25-2011, 06:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
Cassidy's Mom No Stinkin' Leashes Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 24,959	I agree with Diane - rapid fire treats while he's in position, and then release him to get up before he gets up on his own, starting with a very brief amount of time at first and then working up to longer. I don't think this has anything to do with a dominant dog and a submissive position, I think it's simply a training issue. Duration of a behavior has to be trained, no matter what the behavior is. You can also capture the position whenever he does it on his own (surely he lays on his side to rest from time to time?), marking and rewarding it. The more you reward something the more the dog is going to offer it up, and then you can put a command to it. __________________ -Debbie- Dena 9/12/04-10/4/08 Forever would have been too short Keefer 8/25/05 Halo 11/9/08 Cassidy 6/8/00-10/4/04

06-25-2011, 07:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
JakodaCD OA Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Old Lyme, CT USA Posts: 14,237	well I kinda skimmed over the humping thing LOL,,wolfie cracks me up, and he shoves his tongue in the vac hose while it's on? OH MY GOSH LMBO... You need to write a book "Living with Wolfie" And debbie explained things much better than I ! __________________ Diane Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi "Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC "Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC Jakoda's Jagged Edge

06-25-2011, 10:14 PM	#10 (permalink)
TitonsDad Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1,028	It's all coming together now... Male gigolo by night, Butler by day... __________________ -Erich Jove vom Denali - HOT Waiting at the Bridge: Samurai

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